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iEatClams · 02-28-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare

i'm pretty sure they get paid next to nothing to do it. which really only leaves one other reason to pursue such an occupation...

hey, someone has to do it. . . . if you're poor and you came from a poor family. You're parents are poor and you have no connections that can provide you with white collar jobs, and the only way to escape poverty is to do this job, a job that can provide food on the table, you'd do it too.

such is life for 50% of the world's population.

hk20000 · 03-01-2009, 12:06 AM

wait "will not fail to disappoint" so it'll always disappoint?

If that's the case that film has done it. I lose interest 3 minutes into it. It's all because of the explanation of the term specism (sp?). How would we let other species treat us the same way we treat them? Even tigers wouldn't let that happen let a lone humans...

I mean ..... Rather them than me. WTF is a dead cow going to do?

welfare · 03-01-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by azndude69

hey, someone has to do it. . . . if you're poor and you came from a poor family. You're parents are poor and you have no connections that can provide you with white collar jobs, and the only way to escape poverty is to do this job, a job that can provide food on the table, you'd do it too.

such is life for 50% of the world's population.

indeed. but i did use the word pursue

marc0lishuz · 03-01-2009, 12:54 AM

Jumping on chickens has potential to be fun.

This documentary is so biased it's not even funny. Of course they'll pick scenes that are most inhumane, controversial, and ones that "pull at our heartstrings". But then again, that's the point of documentaries, right!

welfare · 03-01-2009, 01:49 AM

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Jumping on chickens has potential to be fun.

This documentary is so biased it's not even funny. Of course they'll pick scenes that are most inhumane, controversial, and ones that "pull at our heartstrings". But then again, that's the point of documentaries, right!

now when you buy those drumsticks at safeway and see the broken ones, you know where it came from.
it's been a long known fact that the industry does treat the animals in ways that are deemed cruel and inhumane. aside from the music and narration, most of the images depicted in that video are the regular, day to day operations of a slaughterhouse.

twitchyzero · 03-01-2009, 03:45 PM

i actually watched most of the video
it does pull a few heartstrings
retaliation on behalf of circus elephants in interesting
but imo animals in science research still helps human advance

oinkoinkpig · 03-01-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero

i actually watched most of the video
it does pull a few heartstrings
retaliation on behalf of circus elephants in interesting
but imo animals in science research still helps human advance

took the words outta my mouth...
this is life..eat or be eaten (something like that)

welfare · 03-01-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero

but imo animals in science research still helps human advance

i think the idea of the movie was to stress that we shouldn't be doing these things for any reason, as in the grand scheme of it all, they are creatures of the kingdom; of which we are no more or less important than

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took the words outta my mouth...
this is life..eat or be eaten (something like that)

i think it's safe to say we're at a bit of an advantage here. we do have the capabilities to hold and manufacture knives, guns, traps, etc...
there's really no sensible excuse. we are just selfish, disgusting, parasites in comparison to the rest of nature

KingDeeCee · 03-01-2009, 04:36 PM

Downloading this to my iPod. Going to watch it some other day. But judging from the comments. I won't be disappointed.

_Hotsauce_ · 03-01-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare

i think the idea of the movie was to stress that we shouldn't be doing these things for any reason, as in the grand scheme of it all, they are creatures of the kingdom; of which we are no more or less important than

Creatures of the kingdom, what the fuck are you talking about. We live on Earth, which is a planet, in which we eat animals. We kill said animals, because we are superior (Or important if you really want) and we eat them.

AKA - Survival of the fittest, Humans ftw.

TekDragon · 03-01-2009, 05:32 PM

Watched until 1:30 then my add kicked in and I made steak and eggs.

welfare · 03-01-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by _Hotsauce_

Creatures of the kingdom, what the fuck are you talking about. We live on Earth, which is a planet, in which we eat animals. We kill said animals, because we are superior (Or important if you really want) and we eat them.

AKA - Survival of the fittest, Humans ftw.

you don't comprehend very many things, do you?

deuel_1 · 03-01-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GSP

I DONT know. Im not educated in killing animals. Im asking if there is a DIFFERENT way than butchering them so violently while they are alive.

Dont try to be a smartass and take it out of context. I didnt say anything about poisoning. If there is another way, then I would like to know.

sorry no you didnt specifically say poison but what else would they inject with needles?

i really dont see any non-violent way of killing a living being. and these companies dont care about it because no matter how you do it the animal is going to be in pain, so for them why not do it in the most cost efficient manner.

Teriyaki · 03-01-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by deuel_1

sorry no you didnt specifically say poison but what else would they inject with needles?

i really dont see any non-violent way of killing a living being. and these companies dont care about it because no matter how you do it the animal is going to be in pain, so for them why not do it in the most cost efficient manner.

Not a bio-sci major or anything here, but I'm thinking: If humans die when you inject air into their bloodstream (hence making sure there is liquid in a needle before injecting), would this work the same way on animals?

underscore · 03-01-2009, 08:56 PM

this reminds of back when I was in highschool and worked at KFC, somebody ran around the school putting up these posters with pictures of mutilated chickens saying how KFC tortures chickens, which was stupid because KFC buys its chicken from Lilydale, the bins it was shipped in had the Lilydale labels all over it

I got to the bit with Hitler, and realised this doc was gonna be stupid (IMO). yeah, we're all fucking racists for killing animals and eating them. OM NOM NOM piss off.

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Originally Posted by welfare

now when you buy those drumsticks at safeway and see the broken ones, you know where it came from.

yeah, packaging and shipping. dur.

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Can somone tell me why they cant put down cows, pigs, etc in a more humane way? Like...needles?
Cant they start the butchering after they are dead?

I don't know if every place does this but cows and other larger animals can be killing with the compressed air tank which shoots a bolt into the brain and then sucks it back out (as seen in No Country For Old Men)

underscore · 03-01-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Teriyaki

Not a bio-sci major or anything here, but I'm thinking: If humans die when you inject air into their bloodstream (hence making sure there is liquid in a needle before injecting), would this work the same way on animals?

they die because the bubble reaches the heart and jams up the flow of blood as the bubble can't escape the heart, causing a heart attack. I think that would be worse or equal to what they do now.

welfare · 03-01-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Teriyaki

Not a bio-sci major or anything here, but I'm thinking: If humans die when you inject air into their bloodstream (hence making sure there is liquid in a needle before injecting), would this work the same way on animals?

takes too long. gotta be cost AND time efficient

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I got to the bit with Hitler, and realised this doc was gonna be stupid (IMO). yeah, we're all fucking racists for killing animals and eating them. OM NOM NOM piss off.

that's pretty much how i felt after the first ten minutes. juaoqin's gonna try and tell me some common knowledge shit here. some of it was actually pretty interesting though. the statistics for one

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yeah, packaging and shipping. dur.

you don't break bones during packaging. use your god damned head.
refrain from using moronic comments when you address me, and i won't treat you like a fucking cretin.
deal?

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I don't know if every place does this but cows and other larger animals can be killing with the compressed air tank which shoots a bolt into the brain and then sucks it back out (as seen in No Country For Old Men)

yeah the doc showed this technique. apparently, wasn't always completely effective either. if what ol juaoquin was saying was indeed true

optiblue · 03-01-2009, 09:41 PM

it was pretty good, but too much on animal cruelty... in fact, after watching, I got hungry XD

It's true what they said in the video, that if we were forced to eat each other, we'd all become vegetarians... until that day~

underscore · 03-01-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare

you don't break bones during packaging. use your god damned head.
refrain from using moronic comments when you address me, and i won't treat you like a fucking cretin.
deal?

calm down there sparky, I'm just saying that packaging isn't always the gentlest process. by packaging I also meant everything from when the chicken dies to when it gets loaded in a truck, that would include the de feathering, gutting, etc. yeesh.

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Originally Posted by welfare

yeah the doc showed this technique. apparently, wasn't always completely effective either. if what ol juaoquin was saying was indeed true

I could see that happening if it didnt hit the cow quite right. if you're trying to be quick you probably aren't lining it up perfectly either.

welfare · 03-01-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by underscore

calm down there sparky, I'm just saying that packaging isn't always the gentlest process. by packaging I also meant everything from when the chicken dies to when it gets loaded in a truck, that would include the de feathering, gutting, etc. yeesh.

sparky. that is cunning. however, you and i both know how strong those bones are, and how much force it takes to break them. that being said, it's improbable that they would be incurred accidentally. more conceivable that it happened during struggle. and IIRC, the de-feathering process takes place while they're still alive

underscore · 03-01-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by welfare

sparky. that is cunning. however, you and i both know how strong those bones are, and how much force it takes to break them. that being said, it's improbable that they would be incurred accidentally. more conceivable that it happened during struggle. and IIRC, the de-feathering process takes place while they're still alive

chicken bones? we broke them every so often during the breading process at KFC, some are fairly weak. I'm not really sure what this struggle is, unless they kill the chickens like Peter does on Family Guy...

welfare · 03-01-2009, 11:09 PM

leg bones? i find that difficult to believe, unless they were already fractured.
was reading up on some of this stuff and found that the us department of agriculture had excluded poultry from the humane methods of slaughter act. so it's pretty much whatever gets the job done cheapest and fastest, i suppose

_Hotsauce_ · 03-02-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by welfare

you don't comprehend very many things, do you?

Well, God doesn't exist and animals are here for eating, so that's two things!

hung_low · 03-02-2009, 11:34 AM

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Well, God doesn't exist and animals are here for eating, so that's two things!

2 does not mean many

we can scratch numbers off the list of things you comprehend

marc0lishuz · 03-02-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero

but imo animals in science research still helps human advance

It was kinda funny when they all say that pain receptors in animals are almost the same as humans, yet when it comes to research, they focus on the difference between humans and animals by saying something like "when we experiment on monkeys, we learn something about monkeys, not humans."

Damn hypocrites.