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Old 03-03-2009, 08:28 PM   #26
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keeping hand on shifter for a manual looks noob
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:35 PM   #27
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Wouldn't it depend on how much tension / articulation on the cable shift? I mean a hand on the shifter won't be too different than a bump on the road? Unless the driver have heavy hands? I always assume it requires quite a bit of force to engage the syncros.

Then again, I don't think I've owned a latitudinal laid out car.. so I won't know.
yea, u start out by just lightly resting, and then without knowing u'll rest on it harder and harder putting more and more force on the shifter.
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both hands on wheel except when shifting... learned from gt5....
but i usually keep my hand on the stick till at least 3rd gear....
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Both hands on the wheel, at all times, except when shifting. Jerking off while driving is not an allowable exception.

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I'm hoping someone can clarify on the shift fork / synchro thing with resting your hand on the shifter. I leave my hand on the shifter all the time when I'm daily driving.
Ever tried to pop your car out of gear while it's moving and on-throttle (when there's tension in the drivetrain)? Doesn't feel too good mechanically does it? Put too much pressure on the shifter and you could be doing something similar. Having your hand on the shifter is a habit to break.



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and also if you get into an accident, you want to have your left foot bracing the dead pedal or floorboard, not the clutch or brake pedal.
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Indeed. My GF got nervous when I was holding her hand while driving (shifting with my left). Downside to stick I guess... but a trade I can make.
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for highway i don't put my hand on the shifter driving m/t..and i always put my hand on the shifter on city

but i always rest my hand on my a/t shifter though lol
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Don't put tension on it if you do keep your hand on it. You can wear out the shift forks.
truth.

I keep my hands at 10 and 4 when accelerating (for quicker shifts), 10 and 2 when cruising
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i leave my foot above the clutch pedal until i pass 3rd gear.. so
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Ever tried to pop your car out of gear while it's moving and on-throttle (when there's tension in the drivetrain)? Doesn't feel too good mechanically does it? Put too much pressure on the shifter and you could be doing something similar. Having your hand on the shifter is a habit to break.
I don't think I put enough pressure on the shifter that that's an issue, but I do have another thought. My shifter vibrates a lot - if my hand's keeping it from moving around freely like that, is that in itself putting undue pressure on the fork / synchros / whatever else?

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Indeed. My GF got nervous when I was holding her hand while driving (shifting with my left). Downside to stick I guess... but a trade I can make.
Hahaha I've gotten pretty good at this. I don't mind shifting up and down every now and then under normal conditions. But it sucks when you're starting back up from a light, especially when you have short gearing and your left hand's just flying back and forth, so you end up looking like a tool.
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i normally keep my hands between my legs. or the passengers.

just makes more sense than keeping it on my shifter


although i would imagine there would be adverse affects if you were to put enough pressure on the shifter.

keep your hands on the wheel, or between some legs.

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i rest my hand on the E-brakes than its easy to shift from there unless im on highway than its both hands on the wheel......although when my GF is in the car i have my hand in her lap
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honestly, city driving I have my hand on the shifter
highway, it's usually on my lap... just a habit, plus city driving involves a lot of shifting and i'm lazy to keep moving my hand from steering wheel back to shifter, it's not like i'm racing i'm just driving from point A to B...
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Old 03-03-2009, 10:30 PM   #38
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Well according to my cars instruction manual. It says when the car is in gear, do not rest your hand on the lever. Be because it puts unecessary pressure on the gears.

But when in neutral, yah i do it all the time. I think its right though cause when it IS in gear and you put even the slightest pressure on it you feel the grinding/vibrations
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I don't think I put enough pressure on the shifter that that's an issue, but I do have another thought. My shifter vibrates a lot - if my hand's keeping it from moving around freely like that, is that in itself putting undue pressure on the fork / synchros / whatever else?
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:45 PM   #40
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The reason why you are told to keep your hands off the shifter, is so that you keep your hands on the steering wheel so that you have more control over the vehicle. Race car drivers never touch the shifter unless they are actually shifting.

If you are sitting at a red light on Kingsway in rush hour traffic, there is nothing wrong with resting your hand on the shifter. You cannot do any mechanical harm to the gears unless you actually try to engage them without depressing the clutch and grind them.

You also do not wear out the clutch by resting your foot on the pedal, unless you actually are pushing down on the pedal. You are told not to "ride the clutch" because generally people put a little too much pressure on it accidentally and actually DO depress the clutch partially, and also if you get into an accident, you want to have your left foot bracing the dead pedal or floorboard, not the clutch or brake pedal.
like someone already said, if i'm doing an emergency stop, first i'll try hard breaking including downshifting, but if its beyond all hope, its both feet in.
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You also do not wear out the clutch by resting your foot on the pedal, unless you actually are pushing down on the pedal. You are told not to "ride the clutch" because generally people put a little too much pressure on it accidentally and actually DO depress the clutch partially, and also if you get into an accident, you want to have your left foot bracing the dead pedal or floorboard, not the clutch or brake pedal.
You actually do needlessly wear out the clutch if you ride the pedal. Not neccesarily by slipping the discs, but there are other components that will prematurely wear if you do that.

And why would your left foot EVER be on the brake pedal if you're driving in city??? lol
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I find myself only putting my hand on shifter while shifting and while waiting at a red light.
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haha soo much animosity towards ppl who puts their hand on the shifter..."its noob" lol
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well the i drive with my hands on the wheel and put my hand on the shifter when its in neutral. thats it
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like someone already said, if i'm doing an emergency stop, first i'll try hard breaking including downshifting, but if its beyond all hope, its both feet in.
it wouldn't be an emergency stop if you had enough time to downshift while braking
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I leave my arm on the center arm rest that runs all the way along the cabin in traffic. If I'm going a decent speed or if it's raining/slippery, it's both hands on the wheel.
i do the same thing too. i only touch the shifter when i need to shift gears.. if not i just rest my arm on the centre arm rest
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it wouldn't be an emergency stop if you had enough time to downshift while braking
apparently you've never used heel-toe to downshift while braking.. i've used it numerous times where i've needed to stop fast.

and also, provided you give yourself the proper following distance you should have plenty of time.
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usually rest my hand on the shifter during city driving, cuz i have short gears and shift at 3k rpm usually. highway i just rest on the center arm rest.
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