Can't trust the media, can't trust our politicians, can't trust our cops...


Who can we trust? How can I trust you to know what the policy actually is?

Dude Jason00S2000 you gotta lay off the blow

Laugh, I'm not the partier that people think! :) Those days are behind me, I'm much bigger on flash programming, exercise, and education!


Keep in mind that if the CBC is reporting false information, I do have a point to question who is actually telling the truth, and wonder why our national media is reporting false information, for what purpose?

In the time I have carried a Taser I have never seen or heard policy saying I could only use one deployment. If you don't believe me, I don't really care. I have seen your posts on here and it is obvious you are an "anti-establishment" type person and that I am not going to change your mind.

If you want to live your life not trusting anybody and complaining about how the police in Canada are such violent thugs turning this place into a dictatorship, you go right ahead. From my experience I have seen numerous police officers go way above and beyond the call of duty for somebody they didn't know or risking their lives when they didn't need to. They didn't do this because they were trying to get something in return, just because it was the right thing to do and none of this ever gets into the media.

You can throw a few stories of "bad apples" that have been sensationalized in the media at me as a come back, but I see on a daily basis that we are out there doing WAY more good than bad, unfortunately the majority of the general public only hears about the bad.

And that's the way the cookie crumbles. We need to make a big fuss about the bad things in order to keep our police in check, abiding by the rules and conduct we pay them for. Next time an officer whips out a tazer, he will remember the incident about Robert Dziekanski's case, and hopefully not make the same mistake the other officers did.

The good things they do for us is as expected. Not only are they serving the citizens, but their neighborhood as well. When I go to work, I go out of my way to get jobs done or helping other employees. I don't expect recognition or a thank you, it's just the pride of knowing you did a good, or better job, than others in the end that makes it feel worth it.

I know, it was just pretty funny.

Are you implying that Robert Dziekanski too was "stupid" or "shady" because he couldn't speak English and no one made an effort to communicate with him?

lets think of the alternative like this scenario

raging meth addict is threatening to attack 2 police officers who respond to a disorderly conduct call

meth addict charges at one officer so the second officer tazes him

meth addict gets up and charges again and is tazed once again

a few seconds later meth addict gets up again and is now REALLY angry and grabs a hammer he found on the ground.

officer SHOOTS meth addict because hes not allowed to taze him, and keep him tazed.

Yes, he was stupid. Think about it.

Why wouldn't you act the same way in the airport regardless if you could or could not speak English?

Because you're not stupid.

+1

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is merely a suggestion when it comes to the justice system in Canada.

This hits the nail on the head.

Because tasers are a GOOD thing, they preserve health and life as much as possible in the worst conditions you can ever imagine. Why put a bunch of bullshit procedures in place to limit their use and complicate things?

If being tazed is cruel torture, then what's being subdued with a metal pipe aka. baton instead? Or popped in the chest with hollow point bullets till you stop moving?

A taser is not perfect, but let's not be mistaken, it is a good thing.

fuck dzisenkenski.

well no one helped him..regardless

who wouldnt go stupid.if they were stuck in airport with no help

but no reason to taser the guy

So you're saying you'd go buck wild if no one helped you? You'd flip tables and throw chairs in an airport?

Sure, buddy. Sure.

to add, the media definately blows this typa stuff wayyyyyy out of proportion. think about the front page of the paper every single day, if its not about a shooting, its about a B&E. i've always thought the papers/media should dedicate at least 1/3 of their reports on GOOD news. so the very gullible ones will have less to worry/complain about.

Alphamale your a fucking idiot......you try going 8 hours without any food or water maybe even longer, being worried sick about your elderly mother, and not knowing where to go what to do and not knowing a word of English. I think any person would be stressed under those circumstances.

Yes..yes I am a fucking idiot.

But guess what?

I'm alive and Robert is dead.

I win.

Fuck im sorry but this pisses me off. Just about what everyone writes here pisses me off. What people should be mad about is not that the use of a taser killed Dziekanski , or that tasers should or should not be used, the god damn fucken issue is what can we do to the tasers themselves to make them safer, but more effective. Why did it kill some 20 Canadians this year? What is causing this exactly. Research and fix the fucken problem and use the tasers all you want. Maybe Dziekanski deserved to be tasered, but the issue isn't the tasering, its the actual taser causing death. If people are dying from it, CLEARLY something is causing them to die. The day after his death, the Canadian government should have funded research into why the tasers can kill someone, and what can they do to fix them. Cops shouldn't be hesistant to use a taser because it can kill someone, and I believe it is up to the government and police force to build a taser that is SAFE.

Fuck...rant over.

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Let's keep this civilized please.

I wonder why everybody seems to be missing the point that the autopsy found that he did NOT, repeat NOT, die as a result of the Taser? I guess the lawyers would make no money from that finding?

If he didn't help himself, how can he expect other people to help him?
People focus on the 10 hours that he was stuck at the airport, yet no one in the media focuses any of their attention at that fact that he didn't do anything to prepare himself for the trip. No note or message to ask for help in English. After a few hours of being "lost" he didn't go up to anyone to ask for help. I'm sure if he went up to someone and spoke whatever it was that he spoke, that person would have asked for someone else to help translate.

For sure. Getting shocked 5 times as much as 30 seconds in length is perfectly healthy.

I like to taze myself every morning before I go to work, it gives me some energy for my day.

That's not a police issue. That's a service issue regarding customs. If that's your beef, keep your issues compartmentalized to the appropriate areas. Otherwise, you're just looking for a reason to sling hate.

Yes people have died, but as someone already pointed out, tasers save lives. They are a better alternative of less-lethal restraint in place of physical altercation, a baton (metal bar), pepper spray, or bean-bag gun. Not to mention, all the above alternatives are prone to their accidental injury or deaths as well.

Since there is no such thing as a perfect system, do we completely strip police of all their tools of their trade one by one?

I doubt there's reason for further tazing if one was fully compliant upon restrainment.

That's the issue at hand in Robert Dziekanski's case...according to the video evidence they presented at the inquiry, it showed after one shot, he was down on his knees with his hands in the air. Then they fired the taser at him 4 more times.