[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ws7qOKxr7Y&feature=PlayList&p=AFE8B0781EB BDA24&index=59[/youtube]

first 2 minutes.

she's so uneducated, and she doesn't have a career and clearly no freedom of speach, oh my god she is wearing a dress that hides the body... WHAT WILL THE WOMEN DO WOE ES SAUDI ARABIA.

In fact, you can watch the whole episode on how oppressed the women are in saudi arabia.

And you talk about turkey? Turkey is a really fucking lax country. There are orthodox christians living beside muslims, and the only reason that they ever killed eachother (like the pogrom of 55) is because of 300 years of opression of the turks trying to wipe out the greeks culture in what was once greek land.

You really know nothing about religion... fox news the network that funny enough is made for people to HATE religion. It's all a delusion. Fuck you keep talking shit about religion, it's starting to piss me off. You probably advocate religious people as all crazy, but hell ALMOST ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE AT PEACE OF THEIR LIFE. They don't reject SCIENCE they embrace it. You are just fed bullshit from some dumb american or some guy on fox news screaming something in arabic, while shaking his hands around furiously.

holy shit i bet you don't even know how many sect's of christianty or islam there is.

lol, do you? i want exact numbers here!

Sharia law, isnt Islam (imho) its just crazy arabs trying to find more measures of control; and was adopted by different areas as they saw the potential of ascerting their authority.. from what i remember its unheard of in places like China, Indonesia (however its been creeping into indonesia) where the majority of muslims are in the world




Hmm... i dont see how that emboldened remark is true? unless your referring to the fact that the Quaran is taught to be the truth.... as schools of science are flourishing in the middle-east (Iraq was a den for scientists before all the wars). Infact now that i think about that comment of yours isn't quite accurate at all considering most countries offer free university schooling to its citizenry
and again the quaran is filled with scientific notions (google it :P ).

Again your mixing the faith with the actions of would-be dictators


thats only if they're gay in the public eye, like the leaders say be gay all you want at home just don't let us know about it

i dont see anything wrong with the Nazis aside from that 1 thing ;p

just because you feel you can belittle them doesn't make it right whatsoever; thats along the same lines as the USA and its Communist/Socialist fear mongering.. that obviouslly didn't/doesn't help

Just nuke them. That's the one and only way.

if I came on here and argued someone based on "my interpretation" of something I wouldn't be any better than any other forum douchebag out there. When I talk shit, I bring facts accepted by the civilized world, meaning the shit I quote and repeat you're likely to see in an Encyclopedia.

Those facts I brought forth aren't my interpretation of their law, it's fact. The reason you don't believe that is because you're constantly looking at Saudi Arabia because you think they're the most exact representation of the Islamic way. Anyone who believes that is dead wrong, most regular Saudi citizens will tell you the same thing. The facts that you mistook for "my interpretation" are accepted worldwide by scholars of all religious backgrounds. I'm not trying to sound like a smartass by the way, I'm just trying to get my point across.

Once again at the risk of coming off like a smartass, I'd like to add a few more things you got wrong in your post.


1) Saudi Arabia is actually despised by most of the Moslem world all over for their corruption and unIslamic behaviour. I mean seriously, what Muslim country would take the Saudi's seriously when they been best friends with the US for so long. There's a lot of other reasons much bigger than this that I won't get into since they are longer explanations.

2) I don't know where you got your information about Muslims hating math, Arabs made possible the concept of ZERO. Without it, math would be pretty much impossible. Arguably the most important period of the Western world was the Renaissance. This is what brought Europe out of the medieval dark ages and allowed it to become a world leader, but this was possible only because European scholars finally got around to absorbing the work and knowledge that Islamic scholars have been amassing for a few hundred years already.

If you wanna take a look at a good representation of a good Islamic state, take a close look at Malaysia. This country was mostly jungle and villages 50 years ago, and today it's a country that's envied by many all over the world.


but for people who don't understand what the whole issue is, in a nutshell the deal with West vs. Islam I can sum up in a short chronology trip below

- 700ad Arabic world begins to conquer a lotta world including Spain which makes the rest of the world very nervous and scared mostly due to propaganda and incorrect information regarding Islam as a savage religion. But in reality the lands conquered actually flourished as a multi-religious and multi-ethnic society. Shit was so proper to the point where a lot of the lands conquered actually preferred living under Islamic rule as opposed to Western rule. <---(probably hard to accept, but once again it's accurate historical fact)

- 1100ad the West in hopes of reclaiming the Holy Land from the Infidels begins the Crusades. They slaughter not only Muslims but many fellow Christians alike and though it dies out in the 1500's, the Crusades actually really end in 1800ad. The Crusades are widely accepted by most historians and scholars as a big bag of bullshit. Since the collapse of the last Islamic world power the Ottoman Empire, the Islamic world was left in disarray and to this day is in chaos.





now is the only time I'm about to offer my personal opinion on the matter.

Simply put, I believe that for a thousand years the Islamic world flourished and was the envy of the rest of the world due to many different reasons all supported by historical facts. This period however ended even before the Crusades did

Today it's the opposite, the Islamic world is in disarray and chaos in the same manner that the Western (European) world was back then.

I'm a firm believer in people reaping what they sow. The Islamic world allowed fanatics and anarchists to peak their head through amongst themselves, and look at where it's got Islam. Although a lot of people would argue that the Western world pushed the Moslems over the edge with their policies, etc...etc... I don't really share that view, I'm much more strict in my thinking.

I have Ottoman blood in me by the way, I can trace back my ancestry fully to an Ottoman Empire Emirate dating back to the 1700's.