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no_mercy 06-02-2009 12:10 AM
composites aren't very good when it comes to lightning strikes. there was this helicopter going over to the oil rig carrying employees where they encountered a lightning strike which basically shattered the tail rotor blades. it was found that composites aren't very conductive.

the solution boeing used on their composite aircraft, the 787, was to sandwich a wired conductive meshing in between the layers of carbon fiber reinforced plastic (CFRP)

now this may have been a once in a million chance that the lightning knocked out the FBW on board which controls the aircraft therefore losing total control and eventually crashing

Harvey Specter 06-02-2009 01:23 AM
Little more insight on what could have happen:

Quote:
As far as I know, A330 has Fly-by-wire control system. In case ALL electric power is lost the plane becomes uncontrollable as there is no direct cables that provide mechanical connection between side stick and control surfaces, or at least actuators.
Fire on the water (still unconfirmed) can tell of an in-flight breakup, like it was with Lauda 767 OE-LAV over Thailand due to reverser in-flight deployment. There is usually no fire when an aircraft hits water surface, even with large amount of fuel on board. In-flight breakup version is also confirmed by ACARS message about decompression (if this message is true).
So the chain of events can be the following. The A330 for some unknown reason lost ALL electric power. Flight crew failed to restore it using RAT or other standby sources or simply didn't have time to do it. It rendered the plane totally uncontrollable. No autoflight, no stability augmention, no thrust control. In turbulent atmosphere strong gusts of wind could throw the plane hard, possibly turning it upside down and sending it into dive. This resulted in breakup due to excessive loads, decopmression and fire.
Anyway the sequence of ACARS automatic messages hopefully will shed some light to this horrible story.
Source: Airliners forum/

7seven 06-02-2009 07:07 AM
Looks like they found some of the wreckage

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americ...ing/index.html

Quote:
Wreckage has been found in the Atlantic Ocean that could have come from a missing Air France jet that disappeared Monday with 228 passengers and crew on board, Brazilian aviation officials said Tuesday.
Americans Anne and Michael Harris, who lived in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, were aboard the flight.

Americans Anne and Michael Harris, who lived in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, were aboard the flight.

Floating objects and seats were found 720 kilometers (447 miles) from the island of Fernando de Noronha, said Brazilian Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral.

Fernando de Noronha is an archipelago of 21 islands around 354 kilometers (220 miles) off the northeast coast of Brazil.

hotjoint 06-02-2009 08:23 AM
^ yeah heard about it on the radio on the way to work

no_mercy 06-02-2009 10:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jah Al Zawahiri (Post 6447769)
Little more insight on what could have happen:



Source: Airliners forum/
Quote:
As far as I know, A330 has Fly-by-wire control system. In case ALL electric power is lost the plane becomes uncontrollable as there is no direct cables that provide mechanical connection between side stick and control surfaces, or at least actuators.

"Not likely, the aircraft can fly on its batteries alone, or on the emergency generator, APU, engines etc."


Source: Airliners forum
From a respectable Airbus pilot

Beilei 06-02-2009 06:02 PM
reminds me of the Tv series LOST

ynot-llat 06-02-2009 06:57 PM
i watched an interview of a man that missed this flight.

He's one lucky mofo.

Not really racist! 06-02-2009 07:02 PM
RIP

shitty way to die :(

CanadaGoose 06-02-2009 08:01 PM
I just read in the Calgary papers the black box should be easy to locate by design, (apparently the A330's will send out sonar pings from as deep as 6000M underwater) but obviously it may not be easy to get to.

If this crash is confirmed it will be the worst in French Aviation history =(

hal0g0dv2 06-02-2009 08:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ynot-llat (Post 6448731)
i watched an interview of a man that missed this flight.

He's one lucky mofo.
holly shit yeahhhhh

Not really racist! 06-02-2009 09:04 PM
vid link?

can't seem to fi nd it

Fafine 06-02-2009 09:11 PM
for the guy that missed his plane thats like some final destination shit now imagine you were on the plane and you survived but end up on an island alone like cast away. fucking scary

Harvey Specter 06-03-2009 01:28 AM
Interesting read;

http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/af447/


and;

A Past Flight May Offer Clues to Air France 447
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2009060...08599190242100

Harvey Specter 06-05-2009 12:50 AM
Looks like the debris they found doesn't belong to the AF crash....this is starting to get a bit spooky.

thumper 06-05-2009 07:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jah Al Zawahiri (Post 6452330)
Looks like the debris they found doesn't belong to the AF crash....this is starting to get a bit spooky.
i just heard that on the radio! so wtf is going on... is it just junk floating around, or is there another crashed plane out there?!?:eek:

twitchyzero 06-05-2009 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jah Al Zawahiri (Post 6452330)
Looks like the debris they found doesn't belong to the AF crash....this is starting to get a bit spooky.
wtf?

this is starting to sound like some Lost shit

bengy 06-05-2009 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jah Al Zawahiri (Post 6449405)
Interesting read;
A Past Flight May Offer Clues to Air France 447
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/2009060...08599190242100
That's why they tell you to keep your seatbelt on at all times...

Durrann1984 06-05-2009 12:02 PM
i know its far fetched but.. investigators think that the plane crashed and everyone died but how would they really know
if they didnt even find any evidence yet

InvisibleSoul 06-05-2009 03:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Durrann1984 (Post 6452768)
i know its far fetched but.. investigators think that the plane crashed and everyone died but how would they really know
if they didnt even find any evidence yet
Well, they do have crash evidence now... but even if they didn't, there isn't any other logical possible outcome.

q0192837465 06-05-2009 03:19 PM
maybe the plane sunk?

Durrann1984 06-05-2009 03:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul (Post 6453003)
Well, they do have crash evidence now... but even if they didn't, there isn't any other logical possible outcome.
but they said debris wasnt from the crash?

Harvey Specter 06-05-2009 03:35 PM
They still haven't any debris from the plane itself however; Airbus has issued a replacement for the air speed indicators.

orange7 06-05-2009 07:03 PM
Why don't they just dismiss this case? It's quite pointless in searching a plane in an Ocean; it's like a needle in a hay stack.

CRS 06-05-2009 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by orange7 (Post 6453257)
Why don't they just dismiss this case? It's quite pointless in searching a plane in an Ocean; it's like a needle in a hay stack.
What are you going to say to the families?

That it is "pointless"?

scheng924 06-05-2009 11:26 PM
imagine they're alive.... i can only hope...


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