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06-23-2009, 09:51 AM
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#1 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
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| Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS (or Non-IS) USM vs 70-200 f4 IS USM
Ok, I am not too sure which one to get and the rebates ends 7/11/2009.
here are the prices I can get for them, after rebates, 8% cashbacks, 8% coupons and what nots.
All in USD.
70-200mm f2.8 IS USM - $1400 shipped (would love this, but the weight AND price is holding me back)
70-200mm f2.8 non IS USM - $1150 shipped (thinking if this would be fast enough to cover the loss of IS for f4)
70-200 f4 IS USM - $1050 shipped. (current preference)
I am pretty sure that I would be using 70-200mm for outdoor shoot (a walk in the park shoot) 90% of the time. Sometimes, I am likely to do some shoots in the gym or pretty decent-lit interiors. So, my preference is to have an IS model.
But, I was testing the 70-200mm f2.8 non-IS at a shop just last weekend, and found out that, with the wider aperture at f2.8, I am able to shoot pretty sharp images at the mall (decent lighting) at 1/60 speed. (and its heavy!! and the f2.8 IS version is roughly another 0.5lb heavier?) So, i began to think if the f2.8 would compensate enough for the IS model of f4...
So, I guess my question is to those who have experience with the above glasses, what are your thoughts and experience? I know ALL of them are GREAT lens, but I am not sure if I want to shell out $1400 or just $1000-1100...
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06-23-2009, 12:03 PM
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The f4 is sharper than the f2.8, and the non-IS versions are sharper around the edges, as the IS changes the optical path of the light as it works. Turn off the IS, and they should be the same.
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06-23-2009, 02:38 PM
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those are new prices? thats damn good for a 2.8L IS
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06-23-2009, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by J____  those are new prices? thats damn good for a 2.8L IS | +1
Thats cheaper than most of the used prices by $300
What store are you getting these quotes from? reputable I hope?
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06-23-2009, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Senna4ever The f4 is sharper than the f2.8, and the non-IS versions are sharper around the edges, as the IS changes the optical path of the light as it works. Turn off the IS, and they should be the same. | I am really concerned in "gym" photoshoot, where I'd need reatively fast lens, and I am not sure if f4 is fast enough.. Quote:
Originally Posted by J____ those are new prices? thats damn good for a 2.8L IS | what do you mean new prices?
I found these prices on ebay, and the f4 IS price is $1025 shipped from B&H in New York, one of the largest distributor/store in the US. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...CA702004LIS&Q= Quote:
Originally Posted by 77civic1200 +1
Thats cheaper than most of the used prices by $300
What store are you getting these quotes from? reputable I hope? | I only buy from reputable sources, for sure, for I am afraid of warranty and quality issue. 
Right now, the more reviews I am reading, the more I am leaning toward the f4 IS, which is both more economical + lighter weight, light enough for me to carry around.
f2.8 IS is literally twice as heavy as the f4 IS...
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What body are you gonna be using this lens with? If you camera can handle higher ISO pretty well, then I would go with the F4. I'd actually go with the F4 either way. Cheaper, lighter, sharper.
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06-23-2009, 06:16 PM
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where you getting 8% cashback? I've only seen 3 so far.
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06-23-2009, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PNF I am really concerned in "gym" photoshoot, where I'd need reatively fast lens, and I am not sure if f4 is fast enough..
what do you mean new prices?
I found these prices on ebay, and the f4 IS price is $1025 shipped from B&H in New York, one of the largest distributor/store in the US. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...CA702004LIS&Q=
I only buy from reputable sources, for sure, for I am afraid of warranty and quality issue.
Right now, the more reviews I am reading, the more I am leaning toward the f4 IS, which is both more economical + lighter weight, light enough for me to carry around.
f2.8 IS is literally twice as heavy as the f4 IS... | new as in brand new lens. usually used f2.8 IS runs for 1800 ish...
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06-23-2009, 09:31 PM
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I have the 70-200 2.8 non-is and it's just as sharp as my 50mm 1.4. It's the sharpest out of the lenses I have and it's a zoom! This is at 2.8 too. No sharpening required in pp.
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06-24-2009, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by J____ new as in brand new lens. usually used f2.8 IS runs for 1800 ish... | you said "new price", so I thought there was an old price. Of course. All items I mentioned are sealed, brand new, with 1 year original manufacturers warranty.
$1800 for a USED f2.8 IS?? Thats a lot. Then again, we have rebates from Canon right now, and with all the live.com and sales, $1400-1500 for a brand new f2.8 IS can be obtained quite easily (until 7/12) Quote:
Originally Posted by MajinHurricane where you getting 8% cashback? I've only seen 3 so far. | I cant find the item that I have been checking. I guess the sale ended. (It was a Powerseller with 10,000+ (99.6%) feedback that sells for $1576 on the f2.8 IS.
This is another one I can find, but has a lot fewer rating (though its 100%)
I attached this picture is to show you the 8% on the top when I check out with Paypal, and another 8% coupon can be applied on my paypal account to claim another $100 off. 
But worst of worst is, I buy from B&H at $1599 shipped f2.8 IS glass
This is the link for B&H for f4 IS $1025 shipped ! (1 day shipping as well) f4 IS lens Quote:
Originally Posted by MikesJo I have the 70-200 2.8 non-is and it's just as sharp as my 50mm 1.4. It's the sharpest out of the lenses I have and it's a zoom! This is at 2.8 too. No sharpening required in pp. | are you sure? 50mm f1.4L is pretty sharp.... I dont have that glass (and I should have jumped on it when it was still $325 when my friend bought back in April!!!!) It is now $400...
Maybe you guys might want to consider ordering a glass and sent to Seattle and drive down and pick them up.. because I think the US prices are better?
Anyway, right now, I am almost almost almost on the verge of clicking that "add to my cart" at B&H for the $1025 f4 IS one.... especially since the one I have been watching is no longer available ($1300 ish f2.8 IS)
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06-24-2009, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by niforpix What body are you gonna be using this lens with? If you camera can handle higher ISO pretty well, then I would go with the F4. I'd actually go with the F4 either way. Cheaper, lighter, sharper. | I forgot to quote your message.
I have a 50D.
I usually keep my ISO around 300-400 interior wise, or up to 800 at most... anything higher than that, I find too much noise to my liking.. but i guess it depends which glass I was using and the situation.
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06-24-2009, 11:21 AM
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#12 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
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err.. cant delete my double post...
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ah ok. So far best I've found is 3% cashback with amazon, which means i can get a new d700 for ~2200 USD.
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06-24-2009, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane ah ok. So far best I've found is 3% cashback with amazon, which means i can get a new d700 for ~2200 USD. | Thats actually a very good deal for D700! I havent been checking Nikon since I switched to Canon.
Try live.com and search on ebay. Usually, you get 8% on ebay.
There are quite a few reputable ebay sellers with legit stores. I got my camera body (50D) on ebay just a couple months ago for only $900 (after my 8% + $100 off coupon) !!!!!!! (also includes 2 tripods, a camera bag)
PS. I have just placed an order on the f4 IS !! I cant wait!! 
Thanks for your input. I hope this lens is as sharp as many people say it is. (I have 10 days to refund too if I dont like it. )
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