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07-11-2009, 08:33 AM
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#101 | | F**K YOUR HEAD
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Originally Posted by shenmecar  | Is it just me or is that article under entertainment? who is vancouver sun's new target audience? emo kids?
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07-11-2009, 09:46 AM
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#102 | | racing & tech mod.
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Originally Posted by slammer111 I'm guessing you're also a pilot? 
It's hard to judge distance in the air as there is such a difference between wingspans. It's not like cars where every vehicle is pretty much the same width, and everyone knows how many motorcycles get run over because some driver misjudged distance. 
If it was indeed the wake turbulence that did the plane in, you're right, the controller would be at fault. It's probably just an honest accident though. You're looking at 3 runways, landing hundreds of problems a day. I'm sure controllers make mistakes all the time, as we're all only human. Unfortunately, this one resulted in 2 deaths.
I feel bad for the controller on duty. Not only does he/she now have to live with this forever, but his/her future career as an ATC could be completely hooped at this point. |
I'm also a pilot (commerical, multi, ifr, float, etc)
I think it's premature to lay ANY blame on the controller at this point.
Go look up the regs for spacing between VFR or IFR aircraft and whose responsibility each case is.
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07-11-2009, 02:50 PM
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#103 | | Revscene.net has a homepage?!
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i was leaving the gym and i saw this plane in the air, it looked like it was doing tricks at first went down then back up, then it went down and kept goin and i was like OH FUCK then i heard the boom! ther was a huge white flash and all of a sudden fire and smoke everywhere and all the lights went out around teh site, fuckin scary, the only thing runnin thru my head while the plane was going down was those guys know theyr fuckin dead, i called the cops and the line was jammed, one of the most fuckt up things i ever seen it was like 200 yards away from me
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07-11-2009, 02:57 PM
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#104 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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wow.. intense. rip to those who passed | |
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07-12-2009, 10:12 AM
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#105 | | Ready to be Man handled by RS!
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor I'm also a pilot (commerical, multi, ifr, float, etc)
I think it's premature to lay ANY blame on the controller at this point.
Go look up the regs for spacing between VFR or IFR aircraft and whose responsibility each case is. | I agree with Rich here. It is reckless to accuse anyone. The pilots in the Navajo should've been fully aware that they were behind an A320 when being sequenced.
And regarding about runway directions, it's dictated by wind direction. Aircraft always want to fly into the wind to maximize airspeed (the speed of wind over the wing) and minimize ground speed (the speed relative to ground). That way the aircraft could take off in a shorter amount of distance.
This holds true for aircraft landing too.
In Vancouver Airport, 26L/08R (southern runway) is usually used for take-offs and 26R/08L (northern runway) is usually used for landings. But I have seen smaller aircrafts land on the southern runway and I think it's usually due to being closer to the parking gate I think.
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07-12-2009, 12:22 PM
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#106 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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^Yeah, closer to the south terminals
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07-13-2009, 10:39 PM
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#107 | | My homepage has been set to RS
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The thing i dont understand is why didnt they take the other parallel at YVR if they knew they were following a heavy.
RIP Matt, its been a blast knowing you
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07-13-2009, 10:48 PM
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#108 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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There are a couple of factors here. Mind you, this is all speculation.
Because of noise complaints, last time I checked they use ONLY the southern runway after a certain time. This is likely the case as the crash happened after dark.
Even if the alternate runway is used, depending on wind conditions, the vortices from the airbus can drift northward or southward. This is a common phenomenon. Even without any wind, 1 vortex will move in each direction perpendicular to a plane's direction of travel. So there could've been a huge vortex sitting directly over the landing path for the parallel runway that nobody knew about.
I'm not familiar with IFR rules. Can someone check their AIP or CARs and see who is responsible for separation, the pilot or the ATC?
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07-13-2009, 11:23 PM
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#109 | | I subscribe to Revscene
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that matt guy went to the same skool as me.. he wasnt in my grade tho i think.. anyways rip
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07-13-2009, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by navi187 i was leaving the gym and i saw this plane in the air, it looked like it was doing tricks at first went down then back up, then it went down and kept goin and i was like OH FUCK then i heard the boom! ther was a huge white flash and all of a sudden fire and smoke everywhere and all the lights went out around teh site, fuckin scary, the only thing runnin thru my head while the plane was going down was those guys know theyr fuckin dead, i called the cops and the line was jammed, one of the most fuckt up things i ever seen it was like 200 yards away from me | that is scary shit
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07-14-2009, 12:28 AM
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#111 | | I Will not Admit my Addiction to RS
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Summer Runway Operations at YVR
[Last updated on 6/19/2009 at 2:38:47 PM]
Starting July 5, 2009, Vancouver Airport Authority will undertake a three-year project to upgrade the south airfield lighting systems to meet Transport Canada standards.
This upgrade project will result in the south runway being closed from 9 p.m. to 7 a.m. for 9 weeks, from July 5 through to September 5. The north runway will therefore remain open 24hrs during this period for aircraft arrivals and departures as required. Similar closures will be required in 2010 and 2011.
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07-14-2009, 05:56 AM
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#112 | | Witness protection
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Originally Posted by navi187 i was leaving the gym and i saw this plane in the air, it looked like it was doing tricks at first went down then back up, then it went down and kept goin and i was like OH FUCK then i heard the boom! ther was a huge white flash and all of a sudden fire and smoke everywhere and all the lights went out around teh site, fuckin scary, the only thing runnin thru my head while the plane was going down was those guys know theyr fuckin dead, i called the cops and the line was jammed, one of the most fuckt up things i ever seen it was like 200 yards away from me | i think the transportation safety board would like to hear from you...
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07-14-2009, 05:58 PM
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#113 | | My homepage has been set to RS
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Originally Posted by slammer111 There are a couple of factors here. Mind you, this is all speculation.
Because of noise complaints, last time I checked they use ONLY the southern runway after a certain time. This is likely the case as the crash happened after dark.
Even if the alternate runway is used, depending on wind conditions, the vortices from the airbus can drift northward or southward. This is a common phenomenon. Even without any wind, 1 vortex will move in each direction perpendicular to a plane's direction of travel. So there could've been a huge vortex sitting directly over the landing path for the parallel runway that nobody knew about.
I'm not familiar with IFR rules. Can someone check their AIP or CARs and see who is responsible for separation, the pilot or the ATC? |
I don't have my AIM/AIP handy, but all i can remember back when i did all the training is ULTIMATELY it is the PILOT's responsiblility to ensure safe operation of an aircraft.
An ATC controller is used to assist the PILOT to fly the aircraft safely, by providing separation distances and stuff.
At the end of the day, its the pilots life on the line and the ATC person goes home
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