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aren't the liberals selling our rivers off to private corps?
Scandals are a fact of every political party, personally i find the scandals behind the Liberals to be far worse than the NDP.
Having said that putting off the NDP completely over scandals when (imo) the Liberal scandals are far worse or, at the very least, equal to the NDP seems rather.... lame?
sort of.... gordon campbell did set up the BCUC which is doing a great job in my opinion.. you know how they rejected some of the private run of the river proposal recently, turns out.. if they didn't, it would forced us to pay extra $$ to the private $$ for energy that would be sold to the US... so BCUC is actually doing something decent and was set up by liberals as a independent commission to monitor these things..
aren't the liberals selling our rivers off to private corps?
Scandals are a fact of every political party, personally i find the scandals behind the Liberals to be far worse than the NDP.
Having said that putting off the NDP completely over scandals when (imo) the Liberal scandals are far worse or, at the very least, equal to the NDP seems rather.... lame?
I agree.
I find it hilarious that a few years after the Liberals were in power, they wanted to privatize the Coquihalla.
Now just before the last election they removed the tolls altogether.
But hey guys... didn't you watch the news last night? The forest industry stands to cut $140 million in costs per year from the HST! Yah that's right, the FOREST industry! You know... so why don't we chip in an extra 7% for food and houses and used cars so a bunch of fucking rednecks in shit-towns up north can cut down trees for a living and sell them to Americans!!! GREAT MOTIVATION!!!
Also the Maritimes did it YEARS ago and look how well they're doing!!!
But hey guys... didn't you watch the news last night? The forest industry stands to cut $140 million in costs per year from the HST! Yah that's right, the FOREST industry! You know... so why don't we chip in an extra 7% for food and houses and used cars so a bunch of fucking rednecks in shit-towns up north can cut down trees for a living and sell them to Americans!!! GREAT MOTIVATION!!!
Also the Maritimes did it YEARS ago and look how well they're doing!!!
Fucking awesome logic!
I am not from up north but not all of them are red necks. When you make blanket statements like that you take away from your point.
Moving onto your point, the forestry industry is a big industry for BC, is there a reason you don't want to support it? Those people buy goods and services that come from the big cities. Also, if you look at what the HST is being charged on then it doesn't make a large impact on the bottom line, it does help companies because that is an extra 7% profit that they get to keep. Think about the film industry in Vancouver for example. More studios are making movies here because we are more competitive, you get ride of the HST and we lose that money. Posted via RS Mobile
The HST hurts the low income families, while it saves business. Extra % on food is NOT cool.
You're obviously one of the misinformed. Go look at your superstore bill and see how much tax you pay.
There is no HST on food bro. That's only if you go out to eat.
And since low income families usually do not go out to eat it doesn't hurt them at all. In fact, it helps them. Because the extra revenue the HST is bringing in is helping to support all their grants/programs they take advantage of.
It would be so effing stupid to cut the HST now. The government would have to give back all that money collected and that will fuck more of the low income people as their programs would be cut to shit to make up for the loss of revenue.
even if prices go down for businesses, how often you see the savings passed on to the consumer?
HOW often you see price at retail go down.
when gas prices were crazy high last year, food prices went up,, and they stayed up, even though gas prices fell..
If theres a competitive market then the prices SHOULD go down. But not all markets are competitive enough.
For example, if store A can produce something cheaper and sell that certain item cheaper than store B. Then they would price it cheaper to get more customers and profit.
For certain companies that compete/rely on price, this will help consumers.
There is no HST on food bro. That's only if you go out to eat.
No, there is plenty of HST on food. Food that is classified as "Junk Food" or "Luxury Food" that is.
The problem is that the "Junk/Luxury food" designation is pretty arbitrary. Items are designated by some retard in a government office that usually doesn't have a clue, which is why things like Soy Milk get HST applied to them. Being lactose intolerant must be a luxury right?
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No, there is plenty of HST on food. Food that is classified as "Junk Food" or "Luxury Food" that is.
The problem is that the "Junk/Luxury food" designation is pretty arbitrary. Items are designated by some retard in a government office that usually doesn't have a clue, which is why things like Soy Milk get HST applied to them. Being lactose intolerant must be a luxury right?
I am lactose intolerant and I drink regular milk just fine. Just don't drink cold milk or drink half a cup max every few hours. There are other ways around it then just getting Soy Milk.
Back on topic. I think is stupid and dumb to get rib off the HST now. The gov and business spend so much to convert the whole PST/GST system to HST and now if we were to convert it back to PST/GST is going to cost millions of dollars again which business might simply pass the cost down to us.
I feel unless you are in the low income family the gov will fuck you up either way.
I am lactose intolerant and I drink regular milk just fine. Just don't drink cold milk or drink half a cup max every few hours. There are other ways around it then just getting Soy Milk.
Back on topic. I think is stupid and dumb to get rib off the HST now. The gov and business spend so much to convert the whole PST/GST system to HST and now if we were to convert it back to PST/GST is going to cost millions of dollars again which business might simply pass the cost down to us.
I feel unless you are in the low income family the gov will fuck you up either way.
Actually, it would cost over 1.6billion since we were given 1.6billion by the federal government to help smooth over the transition. If we get rid of the HST we have to pay that 1.6billion back, PLUS the millions to convert HST back to PST/GST.
On another note, I'm still choked that we can't get tax back from purchases in Washington. That would have been AWESOME! Those few months were most places were not charging tax to us was pretty sweet. Too bad I couldn't take part in that.
I, for one, fail to see an actual benefit of HST. The Liberals argues that it saves businesses money and the saving will pass onto consumers. The fact, from what I see and know is that restaurants now have less customers and as a service based economy, restaurants account a big portion of us.
My friend, who owns a restaurant says he lost about 10~15% of revenue every since HST introduction. He had to raise the wage for his waitresses because people tip less and there was very little incentive for them to stick to the job.
A couple of my favorite joints are hardly any better. Heck, even the McDonald close to my place seem to have less people whenever I drop by for my burger-fix. And are they really saving any money and passing the saving to consumers?! All I know is last time I went to McD, I spent $9.84 for something that was no more than $8 tax in before.
And some argues BC is still early on the HST to see any real benefits... I hardly see any of them on the provinces who adapted HST way back.
I am lactose intolerant and I drink regular milk just fine. Just don't drink cold milk or drink half a cup max every few hours. There are other ways around it then just getting Soy Milk.
There's different severities of the disease.
Regardless, soy milk was just ONE example but thanks for missing the point.
If they want to make me happy with HST they should take it off ALL food, including restaurant meals.
I think it would be a bad idea to get rid of HST now. Like others have said it would cost us millions of dollars to convert it back. Weve already have gotten used to the change. Plus I myself havent really been affected by it or even noticed it to be honest with you. The only time where i see HST is bad is when your making a major purchase on something like a car or a home. As of now theres more pros to keeping it than to getting rid of it. Even though we'll never get to see the savings ever.
When those big business owners are making there millions from HST its not like there gonna say, "u know what? fuck that vacation home in florida i always wanted and the executives in my company, im pass it onto the customers that i dont know and who will continue to buy my shit regardless if i give it to them or not"
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take a look at this article - it will basically give you an approximation on how much more or less you will spend because of HST. Things like buying a house, etc - you can see exactly how much more you might spend.
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There's different severities of the disease.
Regardless, soy milk was just ONE example but thanks for missing the point.
If they want to make me happy with HST they should take it off ALL food, including restaurant meals.
Don't be stupid even if they take HST off all food. Price of food, menu at restaurant is going to stay the same. There is always some excuse that company can come up to justify the cost.
too bad, hst came in when food prices were already on the rise due to shortage/and fuel cost increases. that were passed onto the consumer. Therefore will lead many to believe its due to HST.
thats said, i never saw prices going down after the first spike in fuel prices a few years back, when everybody raised prices. Cost of fuel went down. prices remained.
A lot of the restaurants in town only make money on Alcohol anyways - and with HST - you actually save something like 5% tax on Alcohol. I don't see any restaurants commending that - and I know tons of people who easily drink as much as they eat every weekend.
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