Israel will attack Iran by the end of 2009
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZMno_lOTEk

:eek: its gonna get worse and worse folks.......

lol they'd be fucking crazy


there's already speculation that Iran has bought nukes secretly from Kazakhstan



also John Bolton is a nutjob nehow (very intelligent, but a nutjob nonetheless)

if they do, i'd lose all sympathy i have for them. besides, it'd be suicide.

I was a bit shocked at first

It was showing on the forum page,

" Israel will attack IRAN by..."

I thought it's like by this evening or something.

umm that really doesn't matter, if they are nuked first. Israel is a nuke state. whats more important is delivery system, Iran doesn't have any 2nd strike capability

isn't a nuclear Israel a threat to the middle east?

you're wrong there... with strong evidence (although still speculation) that Iran has acquired Nukes from the Kazaks that is their 2nd strike capability especially with no1 having a clue where it is or if its there

and Iran is a giant desert Israel would have to throw all their nukes to assure themselves that Iran wont just throw every bomb they have (nuke or not) at Israel (which would obliterate them)

there's no way Israel will be throwing that many Nukes into Iran (thereby destroying the world)

unless "they're fucking crazy"

2nd strike capability,,( acquiring nukes from kazaks???) (2nd strike capability is when you are attacked first, u survive to hit them with your nukes) (for most advanced countries this would be off shore BM with nuke warhead. ie. nuke subs)

Israel has one of the most advanced spy sat systems, next to US.

2ndly, nukes warheads have to be mated with missiles,
even though they store them in desert, they have to be stored in hardened bunkers. Hardened bunkers are not easy to built, once the construction starts, im sure that Israel and Americans sat. will pick it up easily. (sure they have sats. that concentrate on Iran)

lastly,
if u take out the command and control center, im pretty sure that will be it for IRAN, more retaliation will come from other arab countries and not iran.

just to add.

Israel BMDS , Arrow2 is operational.

and you know what? they're not even going to get a slap on the wrist from the us government or american media, both owned and operated by jews. the israeli victim mentality is fucking insane.

Russia and China have already stated that if Israel nukes Iran then we will see the precipice of WW3. Essentially game over!!
Don't do it Israel or at the very least hold off till 2012, pretty please

what i meant by that, (2nd strike means you have a arsenal of nukes yourself and are able to deploy them after being hit yes)

is with Iran likely/supposedly having Nukes and being so vast that they could be anywhere land or sea (Iran does have submarines and their capabilities are not known) that Iran essentially does have 2nd strike capabilities

spy sats are one thing but Irans military isn't a joke american generals have said the US would likely not win a war with Iran

Israels missle defense is just for show when it comes to Iran, its been said by american analysts that due to the proximity and amount of missles Iran has that Israels defense system wouldnt be adequate enough

so very true =(

Why would they need to get punished by the US. You think the US wants a nuclear Iran. If anything, a strike taking out iran's nuclear capabilities would be applauded by the US and all the countries around Israel. Jordan and Egypt would probably thank Israel personally, since right now they're all shit scared of iran getting nukes. And thank god the us government and media is owned by jews and not a dumb redneck like you.

Greece+Russia Will Invade Kosovo and then invade turkey.

just because Iran has subs, doesn't mean it has 2nd strike,

Indian has 16+ subs, that doesn't give the second strike capability, they have had nukes for over 15 years (first nuke test was in 78 or something) They have no first use policy. which means they need 2nd strike capability. they have a well defined BM and SLBM project.

India just released a nuke sub, even that will take 2 years to be operational (nuke ready/sea worthy)(10 years in the making)

Firing a nuke missile of a sub is a totally different thing than firing it off land or air.

for eg.
India has been working on a missile delivery system for its sub for over 15 year now. sub can be submerged when firing a nuke, and if moving, thats a total different ball game.
Conventional (diesel powered subs have to surface every now and then to recharge its batt) Nuke subs have 3 month endurance.(actually depends on the crew more than machine)

Also,
missiles that Iran subs carry are KlubS(from russia). due to missile control norms that range is limited to 300 kms (anything over 300 is banned from export)

Iran has land missile with longer range, but firing them off its current subs will take 5-10 years (atleast). again take india for eg. they have 2000km land missiles but they are still working on, 700+ nuke missile (SLBM)(project started in 1991)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagarika

That said iran can reach only coastal areas of Israel with these missiles and that too with conventional warhead.

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1317


Israel will go down if it strikes Iran, but not because of IRAN ,but other countries that will retaliate.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2461421.ece

most of the world doesn't want IRAN with Nukes. (recent fiasco in IRAN . i.e elections.. have shown that)
Iranian people are pro/or neutral against America but its goven. is full of imbeciles. (akh...mada fuckin whatever najab)

what im saying is due to the secrecy the 2nd strike capability isnt known for Iran but it seems more than likely they have that. (Irans military is far more advanced then Indias)


you're working off olld information there, about 4 years+ old, before Irans even launched the Nahang subs and they are now with the Ghadir stealth submarines and new latest missile/weapon technology was implemented

The Ghadir's capability for range etc are not known but it is considered that they are equipped with the latest technology

also Iran has newer surface to surface missles with better accuracy (they've always had 285-8000+km range missles) the Sejjil 2 which is technically a better missile has a 2000km range and faster launch capability

sorry dude, can't aruge with someone who says Iran's military is more advanced than india's
http://next-world-war.blogspot.com/2...-pakistan.html
think u need to google a bit more, about that stuff an those subs u r talking about.

Nahang subs are mini subs. Nahang displacement is 350-400 tons 20m long????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahang_class_submarine
Ghadir subs - displacment 120-150 tons? 20m long!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghadir_class_submarine

compaired to nuke sub from india, which itself is small by comparson to Akula-2 (russia) displacment is 6000 tonns ,,110 m
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arihant_class_submarine

irans is better than india sorry;) (this is a fanboy issue btw not based on anything factual)

as for the submarines size (i have to admit im not an expert in the least about submarines) but what does that have to do with anything?

if its capable of launching missiles and more advanced ones(supposedly) then the old subs your talking about so what does that have to do with anything?

and that indian sub link u provided says that sub wont even be in comission until 2015... who knows what iran would have by then


anyhow this is moving besides the point dont u think.... iran can fuck up israel thats all that matters


(edit: the blog comparisson you linked of their militaries is using olllld info too... sorry i dont subject my google searches, which i havent used yet btw, to wiki or blogs)

yes, because the israelis will "take out" iran's nuclear capabilities the same way they surgically removed the hezbollah threat in lebanon, right? you goddamn sheep, the only one who are going to suffer are the iranian citizens and civilian infrastructure.

and no one is going to thank the israelis for shit, the only thing middle eastern countries fear more than a nuclear iran is a mobilized IDF. iran is no iraq, there will be no solution to their nuclear ambitions except through political means.

its pretty apparent that you dont know anything, so please stop spreading your ignorance.

theorycraft aside, this is like watching a prize fighter beating on a autistic man. lets see how this unfolds.

Alright buddy.

The Lebanon war was a quickly organized and very sloppy war that was brought on by the kidnapping of two soldiers who were patrolling the border. Why you would compare a strike on a single facility and a war is beyond me. This is where your own ignorance starts to show.

If Israel was to "take out" Iran's nuclear capabilities, they would do it in the same way they destroyed the iraqi nuclear reactor in 81 and the syrian one in 08. That's using the Airforce, and precision missiles.

And how do I know that they're gonna do that? No I don't pull shit out of my ass and then call others sheep like you do.

When I was in Israel for the past month and a half, one of my childhood friends who is a pilot in the air force could not get time off the army like he was supposed to. That's because the IAF training has been on overdrive lately, preparing for something big. On the other hand, regular army units have been conducting normal training routines. Also, when I was supposed to visit an air force base, I couldn't, because a US general was visiting at the time. Obviously they wouldn't tell anyone anything because it was a secret meeting. So all that leads me to believe that its only going to be a one time air strike and not a full out war like you seem to be suggesting.

Also, I have met the Israeli ambassador to Canada a few months ago and she, not being able to say this officially, told me that Jordan and Egypt are shit scared of a nuclear Iran. She knew this for a fact. Not like you, who read some shit on some fucking al jazeera forums and now you think you know everything.

Oh, and if the entire middle east is afraid of an army belonging to 0.28% of its area, that's kinda sad. I don't understand how Jordan, which is a great and beautiful country and is at peace with Israel, could be more afraid of Israel's mobilized army then Iran having nukes, which it might use to "wipe Israel off the map". You know, Israel, the country right fucking beside it.

Also, a strike is not a sure thing. Obviously everyone would prefer a peaceful solution, but if that doesn't work, there's no choice. Something must be done.

In conclusion, It's pretty apparent that YOU don't know anything. So fuck off.

god why do people constantly mis-quote Ahmadinejads statements even after its been proven wrong and been retracted by the original reporter.... Ahmadinejad was speaking of the Israeli govt and how that form of oppressive rule needed to be wiped off


and im sure the Israeli ambassador would know truthfully that Jordan and Egypt are freaked out of Iran lol..

Irans never acted like Iraq and attacked its neighbours (because of the USA) and if Iran wanted to take out Jordan or Egypt (for what fucking reason not even Iran could think of) they could do it without nukes

I hear from Pakistani leaders otherwise, they say no1 but Israel is/should be threatened by a nuclear Iran (bla bla bla bla)

Because I'm pretty open minded, I'm gonna research that statement and see what you are talking about.

Second of all. Yes, an israeli ambassador would know truthfully that Jordan and Egypt are freaked out. They are neighboring countries that are at peace and are facing some of the same problems. You think Egypt isn't afraid of Iran sending a nuclear missile to Israel, its neighbor? Because obviously that would be pleasant right? Or do you think Egypt enjoys terror cells that are funded by Iran operating on its own land, trying to destabilize it.

No one disputes the fact that Iran has ever acted like Iraq. I don't understand why people need to draw that parallel.

Do you guys think Israel will attack Iran before Hanukkah?