Liberals Cut $16M From Educational Funding

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Noir

Hey. Why did you ignore my post? Are you just complaining for the sake of just how much it sucks that $16M is being reprioritized, or do you really think that the government is misappropriating that $16M? I'm trying to steer the discussion to the overall economical impact, and just not the educational impact (Or soon to be lackthereof)

From what I read in the article, it's not exactly like the government is trying to eliminate Student-Aid in its entirety. They're reducing budget from $116M to $100M. That's still a hefty $100 Million for availability right there. Yes the current economical trend has caused the margin of Student-Aid to slim by a fraction, but the people who truly require it most will STILL be able to recieve it.

Well I'd say most of that 100mill is going towards loans not grants/bursaries. With loans the max you can take out per academic year is around $10k. That's STILL insuffcient for a lot of us especially if you're in a health-care field. What happens when jobs are hard to find, and/or you dont have much time to work? You rely on grants/bursary to survive. If these grants/bursary are slimed to either a small amount or none at all many students will be fucked.

Originally Posted by 91LS-VTak

When you take out a loan from a bank, their is no stipulation that states "the borrower must pay back the loan, unless they are unable to, at which point the bank will forgive the debt". Why should the Provincial Government do that?

Read my previous post. Broke-ass grads would have to work @ publicly funded entity/rural areas for a few years only to have at a maximum of 1/3 of their total debt cleared.

the debt wont simply disappear by proving you're poor and just sit on your ass. Cause sitting on your ass and getting "hand outs" seems to be the implications of those against studentaid programs.

Originally Posted by 6chr0nic4

from when i was 15 - 18 ( 4 summers ) I have been able to find a full time (40hrs a week) summer job in no more than 2 days every time that pays over $12 on craigslist
there are tons of job agencies that will even find you a job within a week that guarantees over $12/hr

waaaa cry me a river, not my fault ur an idiot
if you can't support yourself and survive in Canada, you won't fucking survive anywhere else you pansy ass bitch

So were those summer jobs happened to be this past summer? Like I said, the situation/market has changed dramatically in the past 12 months, so unless you got decent paying jobs even in your teenage years this past year they dont mean much to me.

Also if you read in my previous posts even if one were to find a decent paying job, it's a matter of actually having the time to work. Those that are required to take 22 credits a term, 40+ hours on campus won't have that luxury. After coming home from 8-10 hour days you have shit of homework to do or you'll be too burnt out for anything else. Obviously this isn't applicable to the majority students but will having a devastating effect on others.

Here are some other's that agree the P/T market for student currently blows. Seriously employers in the last 2 months are FLOODED with student resumes. Unless you have a resume with superb experience you cant even get your foot in the door. If your avaliability is limited it's pretty much a "dont even bother"

Originally Posted by ienhz

I don't know a single student at SFU that gets paid more than $15/hr let alone $25/hr. Even for co-op you're lucky to get close to $17/hr - and this is from places like HSBC, RCMP, CRA, etc.

I agree, it's not difficult to get a higher than minimum wage job. My first job paid $12/hr, but I know a lot of my friends are getting paid $10/hr and they thought I was lucky to get a job that paid $12, lol.

Originally Posted by antonito

Not really. A few days ago I went to the security gate at the jobsite I work at and they have giant stacks of resumes that no one wants to bother looking at

[m4k4v4li]

i took summer courses so i only worked p/t... ill admit it took me longer than usual to find work, and i did get turned down at lots of places, but still managed to find a decent paying (around 350/week for 20hrs work) within the week then again i wasnt looking for construction/warehouse stuff like before so I can't say those jobs weren't available

maybe you should refer to the first line of my original post

ur long ass post all boils down to one statement
"waa we're in a recession it sucks"

you're not alone

[Great68]

Originally Posted by 91LS-VTak

When you take out a loan from a bank, their is no stipulation that states "the borrower must pay back the loan, unless they are unable to, at which point the bank will forgive the debt". Why should the Provincial Government do that?

I think you don't have a clue how the loan forgiveness program works.

It's more of a retroactive scholarship/bursary than a "I can't pay my loan so the government has to" sort of thing. It only applies to specific professions (as outlined below). The idea behind loan forgiveness was to make these professions more attractive to students by offering financial incentive.

Eligibilty requirements, per the StudentAidBC website:

Eligibility criteria
To qualify for the B.C. loan forgiveness program, you must:

- Have B.C. student loans in good standing.
- Be in student loan repayment.
- Not be enrolled in full-time post-secondary studies.
- Have graduated from an accredited post-secondary institution in the time-frame required by the program for different professions (see below).
- Be employed at a publicly funded facility, as described below.

Nursing, medical, midwifery and pharmacy graduates

You are eligible for B.C. student loan forgiveness if:

- You graduated (or your study program ends) after Aug. 1, 2000.
- You are employed at a publicly funded facility in an underserved B.C. community.

Speech language pathology, occupational therapy, audiology and physiotherapy graduates

You are eligible for B.C. loan forgiveness if:

-You graduated (or your study program ends) after Dec. 1, 2004.
-You are employed at a publicly-funded facility, working with children.

Teachers for the deaf and hard of hearing , teachers for the visually impaired, school psychologists, technology education teachers

You are eligible for B.C. loan forgiveness if:

-You graduated (or your study program ends) after April 1, 2007.
-You are employed at a publicly funded facility or school district in B.C.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Let's put it this way. If you really really really want to go to school you will fine the money to do it. Is a matter of how much you like school VS. How willing are you work towards that goal.

I have to admit when I was going to school I took student loans and during summer I work in the sun everyday 5 days a week around 60+hours per week. Pay is good but the job isn't. You sweat, you get a black tan and when you are done for the day you have no energy to go out. But money is money.

It took me years to pay back the loan I borrowed so why should other's get away with it. You borrowed it, you pay for it. We learn that when we are 3years old.

Post secondary for Canadian citizens is already really cheap the way it is now. Think about international students, their tution is 3x what a Canadian citizen is paying on average. That's how much courses is at post secondary so the government is already paying a large amount for ppl.

People have to know learn not everything is handed to them in life and sometimes you actually have to work hard for your goal, and sometimes unlucky things do happen where you just have to accept it. No one is going to guide you and give you a hand everytime you need help.

[Meowjin]

I dont know why people are talking about defaulting on their loans because that is only a very small amount here.

We are talking about the loan remission program they offered to graduated to work in butt fuck BC, and have their loan paid off by the government and we are talking about bursararies.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

We are talking about the loan remission program they offered to graduated to work in butt fuck BC, and have their loan paid off by the government

This

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

People have to know learn not everything is handed to them in life and sometimes you actually have to work hard for your goal, and sometimes unlucky things do happen where you just have to accept it. No one is going to guide you and give you a hand everytime you need help.

Good point and I agree. But I was initially frustrated because the gov't didn't even bother to announce it and I was receiving it each year and became dependent on it.

[3seriesBeeM]

The thing I dont understand is how they figure that they can cut 16 million from education funding but find it necessary to spend 7.5 million on better french translation and sign for the olympic games because thats more important than education.

[dna82]

Originally Posted by 3seriesBeeM

The thing I dont understand is how they figure that they can cut 16 million from education funding but find it necessary to spend 7.5 million on better french translation and sign for the olympic games because thats more important than education.

no, because it's the law. it is a requirement, not an option.

[Meowjin]

maybe our stop signs here should say arret too

[Amuse]

First the HST, now this

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by 3seriesBeeM

The thing I dont understand is how they figure that they can cut 16 million from education funding but find it necessary to spend 7.5 million on better french translation and sign for the olympic games because thats more important than education.

For some odd reason I think my bursaries ended up funding this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEXL7NjAhnY

If ricer underglows are illegal..WHY ARE THEY HAVING THIS SHIT ON OUR BUSES