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Great68 09-29-2009 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 91civicZC (Post 6613681)
I would actually probably laugh and just think about how pissed the Lambo owner would be as he watched the mustang pass him.
Why would/should the lambo owner be pissed?

!Yaminashi 09-29-2009 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 6613696)
Why would/should the lambo owner be pissed?
I'm guessing cause the mustang costs 1/3 of what the lambo does and the lambo was passed..

asahai69 09-29-2009 11:14 AM
lol. im sure if the guy could afford a lambo, and was serious about drag racing. he would build himself a drag car.

asahai69 09-29-2009 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 91civicZC (Post 6613681)
If it was a mustang beating the Lambo, good on him. Do I see it as the same accomplishment? Not really, as bank for buck, it’s pretty hard to beat a well modded mustang. Still though, Your assumption I would jump up and say "fucking mustang" is again, pretty weak on your part and also incorrect. I would actually probably laugh and just think about how pissed the Lambo owner would be as he watched the mustang pass him. If you read my post, you would see, Ill respect anything done tastefully if someone loves it enough to put the effort in. I have no issues with mustangs. Apparently you have a pretty big problem with Civics that maybe you should look into. Again, your just coming off butt hurt. I'm wondering why?

Your argument then meanders into something that is not even remotely related to what we are talking about. But Ill play along.

Your right, put both those cars together with the same amount in them, and the Mustang would probably EAT the Civic. So when a guy builds a Civic that can tear one down, why can’t you give him props? Because he didn’t sign the same check as you? Or is it because in your eyes “It’ll always be a Civic”? Great argument. How does this relate to FWD Performance again?

Built not bought still means something to some people, myself included. A car that’s built well with tasteful parts will always get more respect from me that someone who can sign a big check. Would I take the Civic over the Lambo? Of course not. Does the guy who owns the Lambo care what I think? Obviously not. Was that what we were talking about? Nope. We were talking about FWD performance. Does it exist? The video above illustrates it does along with countless Grassroots racing Chamionships and wins in all sorts of diffrent racing classes from Pro to your local Solo 2. Nuff said.
see. you got in here a little bit late. i was talking about the zulu/chwkef little arguement.

but if you want to talk about FWD performance. can you get performance out of a FWD car? Yes. would sumthing RWD or AWD destroy it? Yes. is a civic a good car? Yes. but not for anything other than going from point A to point B

unit 09-29-2009 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AzNightmare (Post 6611593)
Looks better than the current gen STI too.
good performer but looks like a complete ricemobile in a box.
colors like lime green belong on exotic supercars.

Great68 09-29-2009 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Hines (Post 6613697)
I'm guessing cause the mustang costs 1/3 of what the lambo does
That's the key.

If I was in the lambo I wouldn't be pissed, I'd be the one that can afford a car that costs 3 times as much.

91civicZC 09-29-2009 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 6613779)
That's the key.

If I was in the lambo I wouldn't be pissed, I'd be the one that can afford a car that costs 3 times as much.

Most of the guys who I have met who own Lambos dont see it that way. Hopefully exceptions to the rule, as I would rather see a Lambo go to a car enthusiast rather than just some dude whos got money and dosent know what else to do with it.

CivicTypeRice 09-29-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by asahai69 (Post 6613575)
are there any times in the video. for all we know the guy in the lambo was taking it easy. seeing isnt believing when it comes to the internet buddy. lol for fuck sakes. look at the first video. did you notice how awesome the first two cars were. then u see the civic doing the gayest burnout ever. lol. u wanna give "props" to that? a civic will always be a civic. honestly. if a mustang were the one killing the lambo you would definatley say the same thing. "oh fuck it, lambo is stock, mustang modded. its just a RUSTang"

you wanna see what really is a good comparison? take a stock fox body mustang. about 10g. buy a civic worth the same price. both each add 20g in mods to it. do you seriously think the civic will be faster? give me a break.
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/k...rtalertwi6.jpg

Meowjin 09-29-2009 01:45 PM
^i'll take an italian supermodel over integragirl ty.

Great68 09-29-2009 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 91civicZC (Post 6613786)
Most of the guys who I have met who own Lambos dont see it that way. Hopefully exceptions to the rule, as I would rather see a Lambo go to a car enthusiast rather than just some dude whos got money and dosent know what else to do with it.
These lambo owners you have met seem to be pretty ignorant then and if they are get butthurt just because they get beat by a modified "cheaper" car, then they bought their lambo for the wrong reasons.

Mugen EvOlutioN 09-29-2009 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 6613779)
That's the key.

If I was in the lambo I wouldn't be pissed, I'd be the one that can afford a car that costs 3 times as much.
i think the key is that when u spend $400g on a car


u would normally think you are the king of the hill

fastest and most amazing piece of art a man can buy in every single category

VEYRON boooyaaa

91civicZC 09-29-2009 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 6613916)
These lambo owners you have met seem to be pretty ignorant then and if they are get butthurt just because they get beat by a modified "cheaper" car, then they bought their lambo for the wrong reasons.
Yup, they were all pretty much douche bags. I have only met three that I can remember. Not one was a car guy, just people with too much money.

Yes, it made me jealous.

SumAznGuy 09-29-2009 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN (Post 6613922)
i think the key is that when u spend $400g on a car


u would normally think you are the king of the hill

fastest and most amazing piece of art a man can buy in every single category

VEYRON boooyaaa
Sounds like the same stereotype of guy in F&F.

More than you can afford, Ferarri!!!!!

As for me, I am a total car guy. If I could afford to race a Lambo, I would totally do it up, like what asahai69 said.

hk20000 09-29-2009 05:27 PM
^ that's if you can afford to do up a lambo.

Lambo parts are super expensive a modded up lambo easily costs twice the MSRP of the original lambo.

Meowjin 09-29-2009 10:34 PM
fuck this site is hilarious.

post up the hyundai and people would cry that it's in s-class territory but post up a modded civic and people would rather have the civic over a lambo?

RabidRat 10-01-2009 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Blinky (Post 6608008)
You can do decent things with McHappy struts, but if one is designing a performance car from the ground up, one generally wouldn't start with a strut setup.

FWD is never going to be able to put down power like RWD or have the handling balance quite like RWD either.
You know the 911 Turbo has MacPherson struts up front? =)

Mugen EvOlutioN 10-01-2009 01:29 PM
^


didnt know that

Blinky 10-01-2009 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RabidRat (Post 6617094)
You know the 911 Turbo has MacPherson struts up front? =)
And the 911 is borked. Struts in front, engine waaay in the back.

Porsche from the ground up for an all-out car: take a look at the CGT. Double a-arm suspension and a mid engine.

!Yaminashi 10-01-2009 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Blinky (Post 6617357)
And the 911 is borked. Struts in front, engine waaay in the back.

Porsche from the ground up for an all-out car: take a look at the CGT. Double a-arm suspension and a mid engine.
Carrera GT <3

RabidRat 10-01-2009 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Blinky (Post 6617357)
And the 911 is borked. Struts in front, engine waaay in the back.

Porsche from the ground up for an all-out car: take a look at the CGT. Double a-arm suspension and a mid engine.
The 911 GT2 is still no slouch though, and it has that same MacPherson strut front, multilink rear. Same exact suspension setup btw, as a Mazda3.

You know the Mk4 Supra has dbl wishbone suspension front and rear? The thing is a pig; I think we can all agree a 911 GT2 would far outhandle it.

Idk. It's not that I disagree with you - Mac struts have crappy dynamic camber right? They gain positive camber as suspension compresses, while dbl wishbone/A-arm gains negative on compression? I always thought MacPherson struts were reserved for 1)saving space, 2)cutting cost, 3)durability (for say, rally cars). It's just bizarre that you find these things on such high end cars.

Blinky 10-01-2009 10:44 PM
I've never driven a SouPraaaaaaaa or GT2, so I won't guess. There's more that goes into a car's handling than just what type of suspension it uses.

Modern McStruts don't gain positive camber -- that would truly suck -- rather they don't gain very much negative camber when compressed. That aside, many German companies have really refined McStruts (look at BMW). I think it's just a well-engineered artifact on the 911, like the ass-engine. If it ain't broke...

Mugen EvOlutioN 10-02-2009 07:23 AM
mazda 3 uses MacPherson strut as well?


i thought honda was on crack putting that shit on MacPherson strut, when all the others are double wisbone (sp)

orgasm_donor 10-02-2009 07:29 AM
All I know is that my '03 Civic couple handles like an overweight pig in heat because of its asstastic suspension. Its a little bit lowered too but that doesn't make any difference. Gay Civic.

RabidRat 10-02-2009 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Blinky (Post 6618187)
...if one is designing a performance car from the ground up, one generally wouldn't start with a strut setup...

There's more that goes into a car's handling than just what type of suspension it uses.
I think in the original context you were saying that newer civics with the new strut type suspension up front don't handle well because of their Mac struts. Is it necessarily true then?

I did some more digging and found out that the M3 and Z4 have Mac struts in front too. The M3 somewhat makes sense because it's built off a common 3 series, but the Z4 doesn't really have much of an excuse seeing as how it's built from the ground up with its own platform. Maybe it's just gotten to that point where Mac struts just aren't the limitation they used to be.

SumAznGuy 10-02-2009 11:56 AM
That's not true. Mac struts will always have limitations when comparing them the double wishbone type suspensions. But one of the issues with an independant suspension is the around of room you have to package everything.

And not all double wishbones are created equally. You need to take into consideration suspension geometry and a bunch of other things that are beyond me. Take a quick peek at some of the info on suspension on the VCMC forums and you will see what I mean.

Cost is another factor when car manufacturers design their cars.


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