I think you and a lot of others who responded aren't getting what I said. Buddy, I'm in the same boat as you. I'm not talking about those immigrants who came here and worked hard and started a new life here.

I'm talking about those who drain our system and take afvantage of it.

The key concept here is "Come to this country to start a new life." That's what my great grandfather did. So don't jump the gun there, buddy.

Read my post over again. I don't even care if immigrants learn the language or not. It's pretty hard for older people to learn a language. Just try to blend in and not take over is the message. You of all people should know this, right?

Again, don't jump on the racist bandwagon. There............

I didn't even mention a particular race. I am a Canadian of Asian decent. My allegiance is to the flag of Canada. My country of origin was left behind four generations ago.

win post by Jsunu^

btw OP is still a fucking hypocritical dumbass who supports the seperation of quebec from canada yet wants to maintain a strong traditional canadian culture?

as the 2nd largest province / populace .... we would get pwned if quebec decided to separate... it would act as a barrier from reaching all the islands and a huge cut off of natural resources not to mention quebec is as old as canada is

Finally......... I was hoping someone would get what I was trying to say without going overboard and yelling, "Racist!"

We (Canada) have an identity, and a way of life........... maybe not the best words to describe it........ perhaps standard of living? <--- it's more than that. It's more like..................

Anyway.

like unemployed bums that sit around and collect EI/welfare checks? crackheads in DTES?

no worries tho visor wearing c-lais that bust out umbrellas during summer annoy me too

BUDDY!!!!!! Read between the lines. Don't go calling me a hypocritical dumbass. You're just a............ nvm. Don't want to go there. Have a nice day.

and god bless.

lol don't think you know what standard of living means

this issue occurs anywhere in the world where there are a large influx of immigrants, like black people in the US that have altered urban american culture, i bet natives were bitching non stop about all the europeans immigrating into NA, its called globalization and change, theres nothing you can do to stop it

but how do you think all these immigrants get to Canada in the first place? its from relatives that HAVE achieved that "canadian dream" you speak of

and they breed children that do better understand and assimilate and add to canadian culture

America is a melting pot whereas we are more of a mosaic.

America gets its strength from immigrants. No doubt about it. You look at all the great things America has produced and most are from immigrants. The immigrants are so pro America. They are proud Americans. Sometimes more proud than Americans who've been there forever. Why is that not so in Canada?

In a previous post in another thread, I mentioned an old Chinese guy singing O Canada at the top of his lungs during an event. It was great to see, because I was the only other guy singing just as loud and proud.

Anyway............

I give up.

to put it in simple language for you

because the united states is older, and has had more successive generations of immigrints and time to assimilate

china opened its doors to the world 20 years ago and the majority of the fob immigrints you see from china are all born and raised in china... I bet if you look at the behavior of their kids (our generation) and their kids kids it would be very similar to the americans you described

if you moved to china at the age of 50, im sure chinese people will think you're not assimilating into chinese culture either, and im sure you would have a hard time doing so as well

not to mention chinese culture is VERY different from many western cultures compared to other eastern cultures like india that have had previous british colonization or other british colonies / countries that have had western influence

How is immigrants or individuals who maintain their native culture affect your way of life?

Im not trying to shit your your beliefs (which are valid by the way since I see the change here in richmond) but I feel that groups that tend to not learn english or maintain a high degree of cultural heritage are individuals who are more comfortable with their own culture. I do not see it as a deliberate attack on Canadian culture, but simply individuals taking the easy route and transplanting their lives here. I do not see it destroying our way of life.

Also, im not trying to argue here im just want to debate this

immigrants that come here and only want to associate with their own ethnicity (granted many do so only because its easier but some only wish to cohabitate with their like)

immigrants who pull out the race card whenever they do something wrong (like that convenience store on the east coast that are starting an uproar and pulling race into the situation because they beat up and hog-tied and caged a shoplifter and beat him while confined)

immigrants who come here and don't add anything to the country and only take the benefits of being canadian and sending it elsewhere (welfare, etc send all the money out of the country get what they can and then leave the country, start an investment/charity company and just leech all they can from Canadians and bring it back to support their originating country)

etc etc etc

those ppl don't appreciate being Canadian and are only here to take and end up ruining the country, they can stay the fuk out or get the fuk out, everyone else who tries to make this country theirs by conforming and adding where they can are very much appreciated and desired

think thats close to what 89blkcivic believes maybe not
but 6chr0nic u sound angry because u were spotted for being a leech maybe? :P

I know I said I quit, but I just read this one and had to reply.......

I support separation of Quebec? I think I referred to year 1812. You know....... the Plains of Abraham. Deporting them after they lost the war. A few posts later, I mentioned that my comments were tongue in cheek.

Anyway, you get last word, 'cause that's what you want. Make it a good one, buddy.

See? I refrained from calling you names. Perhaps you should, too.

I think the difference in attitudes stems from our very different histories. The US was born out of rebellion to a 'stuffy' mother country, while Canada was born out of necessity. Remember, the settlers in the four original colonies which were later to become the provinces of Canada, were United Empire Loyalists who fled the American colonies because of their allegiance to the British Crown. This sewed the seeds of our culture of deference to authority, of modesty, etc. It's reflected in our Constitution (Peace, Order, Good Government,) it's reflected in our education system, our controversial debate about our flag in the 1960s, our controversial debate about the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, etc. .

Of course, this country has become much more progressive over the last century, but I think history has a lot to do with our attitudes about our country and our relative lack of patriotism.

But this does not dramatically affects the "Canadian" way of life

The race card only applies to a very small portion situations

Individuals who invest in Canada and move their finances to Hong Kong or where ever still contribute to the Canadian Economy. In fact, our buisness immigration policies benifit mostly Canadians. For example, in order to start a buisness here you must follow strict guidelines in terms of where you invest and how. Therefore, most buisness fails within a few years, causing immgrants to move back to china (which is sadly misunderstood as leeching). While this only applies to new buisiness immigrants, it is not hard to see how any investment in Canada is good economically.

But what I do not agree with is the cultural racism I experience here. I do not speak any chinese whatsoever, therefore I am discriminated against in Richmond! in freakin Canada! that i cannot agree with.

But other than that, I do not have any problem with immigrants not assimilating to a overall cultural identity. Eventually the new generation will become more culturally diverse anyway as a result of our increasing globlization.

I just dont see immigrants as a major drain in Canada, in fact it is a positive factor.

Wow, Empire Loyalists. And here I thought RS was.......... absolutely correct. Other settlers like the Ukrainians (Prairies), Scotts, etc.

I need to get out more...... the rest of Canada is not like here. One of my goals is to drive across this great country of ours. I retire soon, so I'm starting to plan already.

I'm with this. It seems like people just like to blame all their frustrations and problems on people that are different than they are.

"our way of life"

I'd like to think that the Canadian way of life is one of inclusion, of mutual acceptance, of social diversity. Having seen things and travelled around the world, I can say without a doubt that on top of being very ethnically diverse, Canadians are extremely tolerant people. What we decry as a horrific racist attack here, would be scoffed at in many other regions of the world as being too commonplace to even mention. Now part of what built this country's culture of inclusion is the interaction that takes place between the immigrants from all over the world, and first to many generationed Canadians. Being reclusive and not being active in a larger, more ethnically community is in my opinion indeed "destroying our way of life". One could argue that humanity at it's core fears what it doesn't understand, and one could argue that racism is the product of that fear. When differing ethnic groups are not able to interact and identify with each other's cultures, I would propose that the social harmony that we by and large live with today is endangered.

haha im a leech?
i was born in montreal, hence the quebec comments
my great grand parents are first generation chinese that paid head tax to immigrate here

Multiculturalism v. Melting Pot...

Personally, I can see this happening in my own school. Some of the kids who are immigrants either embrace coming here to make a lot of friends, and learn other people's cultures or the Canadian culture in general, and then there's that group who are too pussy to talk with other people, stay within their own cultural circle, and effectively alienate themselves from the rest of the school community, likely for the fact that they came to Canada just to use the education system and learn some English (which is pointless since they only speak their native languages most of the time), and then the boot their own asses back to their own country once they graduate. Honestly, if you come here, learn to fit in and add to the identity, don't try to change the fit so you still feel like you're at home.

I've wanted to vent this issue for a couple of years now, and this seemed like a good outlet.

just have to say something about the french and hating on the french... well over half, maybe even as much as 3/4s of the canadian military is french.

I guess I was trying to make a point about our attitudes towards patriotism. On the whole, Canadians generally aren't really patriotic people like the Americans. If there's no sense of pride, or security in who we are as a people, how do we expect immigrants to feel a sense of greater attachment to Canada as opposed to their home cultures?

Haha people like you are pathetic. Just because we (as in people who can identify with other cultures and are not confined just to the mainstream) frighten you, you claim we are somewhat "less" Canadian, or less "patriotic."

I take pride that I am no "average Joe," who eats only bacon and eggs for breakfast and obsesses over a pass-time in which grown men hits a ball around with wooden sticks.

I am not afraid to explore new foods, new ways of doing things and to learn from the histories of other peoples. I have more education and earning potential than the "average" native born-Canadian. I can navigate through Canadian institutions just as well if not better than most Canadians. My family pays more taxes, are more politically envolved, donates more to NGOs, and contributes more to our economy than the "average" Canadian. I dare-say I (we) are more "Canadian" than most Canadians.

I acknowledge that first generation Canadians are "different" and will never be able to assimilate 100% into Canadian society. But I have great respect in that these immigrants have given up everything to come to Canada for a chance of a better life for their families. I am not afraid of their "differences," I can see that that very difference is a uniqueness that can be beneficial and an advantage to Canada. They see things from a different perspective. They therefore can contribute these qualities that are not present in native-born Canadians, if only given the chance.

These "missing qualities" can so clearly be seen in our best academic institutions. Go to the campuses of Simon Fraser or UBC and look at the faces of the students. More often then not these students are children of immigrants and minorities. These kids are the cream of the crop- they are the business leaders, lawyers, and doctors of tomorrow. Clearly, something in their parents cultures is helping them to outcompete many native-born Canadians.

The places in Canada that are most economically vibrant are also the places whose people embrace rather than fear and stigmatize other cultures. The diversity of culture is so blatantly present in places like Kits and Yaletown, they are also populated by some of the wealthiest and best educated Canadians. Contrast the vitality and diversity of these areas to the monotony of Langley.

Diversity is what makes a country strong, not fear of the unknown. Every successful company knows this, yet people aren't able to see the same principles apply to countries as well. The wealthiest cities in North America are also by far the most diverse and tolerant: cities like Vancouver, Toronto, Seattle, San Francisco, New York City, etc. There is a very obvious correlation between diversity of peoples and economic success. Is it any wonder that places that are most xenophobic, places like "the South" in the US and places outside of the major metropolitan areas in Canada are also the least economically competitive?

I rest my case.

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I'm going to preface this with saying that every one of your posts here has mentioned or inferred that foreign-born Canadians are superior to native-born. I'm not sure..., but that's pretty much the exact definition of racism.

(racism - a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior)

Hmmm. Yes, I must be pathetic, because I think that if you're going to be a Canadian citizen, you should identify yourself as Canadian. Not French-Canadian, not Chinese-Canadian, or the like.

Cricket? Croquet? Wait, let me guess. Polo maybe? Baseball is more of a US/Central America/Japan/Koreas sort of game... Or maybe you have a ball confused with a rubberized puck, used in the game of Hockey. Perhaps you've heard of it during your travels outside of the bubble world you appear to live in. Hockey is the game that the Canadian "average Joe" obsesses over, but you'd know that if you had any idea what the rest of the people in Canada were like. Also, to appease the people who simply see this wall of text, I present the following picture:

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See that's the thing. You seem to think that because you contribute more to the Canada's GDP, you're more Canadian than anyone else. It comes across that you're taking a very economic view to your identity as a Canadian citizen. If you actually read any of my posts in their entirety though, you'd realize that what I mean by being Canadian is idealistic, and part of that ideal is being slightly, no way less prejudicial.

Most definately! I'm also not afraid of their "differences". But their experiences and culture go to waste in the fabric of Canadian society when they never leave their ethnic social circles, which is my argument through most of this thread. You conspicuously neglect to mention that native-born Canadians also have values, qualities and experiences that are beneficial in return to new immigrants as well. Or maybe you think that they don't have any...

I'm certain that SFU and UBC are no different than visiting the University of Toronto, Wilfred Laurier University or Queens. Many students born in other countries visit these schools and no doubt will be the leaders of tomorrow. Many of them back in their country of origin though... Do you want to know why there are so many foreign students in our high-end universities? $$. At least in Ontario, the universities recieve considerably more money from foreign students than native-born Canadians for the same education. Wealthy foreigners can afford to send their children to our schools. That's not even in itself a bad thing though. Here's the overt racism coming in though. You're saying that something in those foreign cultures is helping them to outcompete those native-born Canadians though. I present that it's not their culture. It's the depth of their wallets.


I would disagree that diversity is what makes a country strong. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Japan is a strong country (at least economically - which I have a feeling is how you would rate the strength of a country). Japan is 99% ethnically Japanese... That being said, I do believe that diversity is what makes our country strong. But diversity, in census form, is useless without it being present in all parts of our culture. It's just a word unless we all keep an open mind. Anyways it's 1:30 out here so I'm going to sleep off the carpal tunnel I just got from this.