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10-19-2009, 10:47 PM
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10-19-2009, 10:49 PM
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That is Canada for you. They have to be "Politically Correct" about absolutely everything. They gotta make everyone happy.
With that being said, I have no actual issues about this. I have never heard of an incident in North America of someone using a Kirpan as a weapon against another human being.
Also, you can't just say you are Sikh and be allowed in with one. There are a few requirements such as your attire, to have uncut hair, wear a turban etc etc
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10-19-2009, 10:53 PM
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#53 | | RS controls my life!
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Originally Posted by unit i dont really see it as a big deal.
sikhs are everywhere, and ive never heard of a stabbing with a kirpan.
if even once such incident happened in the GVRD it would be instantly banned in public.
how many times have u been in the bus, in a mall, on the street, etc, just feet away from a guy carrying one? its not threatening imo. | Actually if there was a stabbing in public they still couldn't ban them, as one could argue that it would infringe on there rights under the Charter. In an Olympic Venue however it is Privately Run so they can set whatever rules they want. If it happened on Olympic Grounds then they could ban them if they wanted too.
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10-19-2009, 10:58 PM
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in gr 8 i was playing basketball with my fat hindu friend who has a huge turban
i ripped it off by accident when i was coming down and he went ape shit and tried to kick my ass HAHHAH hes so fat like prob 230lbs 5'10 and he tried kicking me
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10-19-2009, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by minoru_tanaka Pretty sure it's used to stab muslims. And in today's society the muslims are the ones we are worried about.
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Originally Posted by minoru_tanaka Let's just say that we make plenty of concessions for Sikhs as is and allowing them to carry a weapon around is just going way too dam far. Saying it's for peace and self defense is a bullshit line cause peaceful people don't carry weapons with them. Besides, muslims have AKs now. What's your kirpan going to do against an AK? | WOW are you for real?
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10-19-2009, 11:03 PM
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#56 | | y'all better put some respeck on my name
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FYI Hindu's don't wear turbans.
This subject does have some minor concerns but the problem, like with any news story related to the Punjabi community, is that some people love to vent and rant their racist views and not talk about the subject at hand and blow the entire subject out of proportion. It's a shame that such a minor issue is been turned into such a major issue.
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10-19-2009, 11:05 PM
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10-19-2009, 11:28 PM
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If you want to ban knifes at sporting events what not at other public places. I don't see anyone wanting to ban knifes at restaurants or grocery stores. Costco sells knife sets right in the open and it would take me like 30 seconds to take one out of the package and stab some one. 
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10-19-2009, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue_StreakR Actually if there was a stabbing in public they still couldn't ban them, as one could argue that it would infringe on there rights under the Charter. | Maybe we should allow honour killings cause we are infringing on their rights to protect their daughters from talking with the horrible gora. Doesn't our Charter protect their rights to protect their family honour?
Give an inch take a mile. If you let people carry weapons, next they'll want it to be acceptable to use them. Seriously it 300 years ago and it was practical then. If muslims were invading India today a Guru would be telling sikhs to carry a holy rifle and if it happens in 300 years maybe a holy phaser but this is Vancouver, Canada. Maybe I should get to carry a samurai sword around
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10-19-2009, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Manic! If you want to ban knifes at sporting events what not at other public places. I don't see anyone wanting to ban knifes at restaurants or grocery stores. Costco sells knife sets right in the open and it would take me like 30 seconds to take one out of the package and stab some one. | OK then. Sikhs can bring kirpans to watch figure skating if they are selling them or using them to cut up their hot dogs.
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10-19-2009, 11:55 PM
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People are ranting because its unfair. knife, ceremonial or not are permitted for one special group of ppl. imagine going into the olympic and you have nail clipper in your purse or whatever and the security take it from it or you can't go in, than the sikh guy beside u walk straight through with a knife on the belt.
like somebody said before, the kirpan are usually dull but it is a knife still and can be sharpen if wanted to. I can totally see how this rule can be taken advantage by protential shit starters. sure you must have certain defining characteristic to be a sikh, should a security detain and question someone they feel is a fake? if they are allow to is that not discrimination base on religion? How will one prove they are in fact sikh? is there some kind of official document to prove that? With more than 300 people per hours going through the gate, how likely is a fake sikh carrying sharp kirpan looking to start shit going be questioned by the already stressed out security guards?
not being racist or anything, looking at this strictly through a security point of view
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10-20-2009, 12:04 AM
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Let's hope this means the Scottish in the crowd can wear their Sgian Dubhs without reprisal then. 
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10-20-2009, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Black SC2 Let's hope this means the Scottish in the crowd can wear their Sgian Dubhs without reprisal then. | When did being Scottish count as a religion?
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10-20-2009, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Manic! When did being Scottish count as a religion? | When did being religious count as an excuse to be armed in public?
The Sgian Dubh is traditional Scottish wear. So why would the tradition of one group of people be more important than that of any other?
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10-20-2009, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Black SC2 The Sgian Dubh is traditional Scottish wear. So why would the tradition of one group of people be more important than that of any other? | The reason is because one of them is Sikh, that's why it is more important.
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10-20-2009, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Manic! When did being Scottish count as a religion? | when you are a presbyterian
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10-20-2009, 12:45 AM
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I don't see a problem with it now, but once an incident happens with the Kirpans, that is when society is going to go ape-shit!
Just pray that the person beside you with the Kirpan is not going to f you up during the events.
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Just pray that the person beside you with the Kirpan is not going to f you up during the events.
| I guess you should also pray the guy eating a steak beside you at the Keg doesn't f you up with a steak knife.  
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10-20-2009, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Manic! I guess you should also pray the guy eating a steak beside you at the Keg doesn't f you up with a steak knife. | lol. for the most part sikhs won't go to the keg because they don't eat beef steaks. it offends them.
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10-20-2009, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ZhangFei lol. for the most part sikhs won't go to the keg because they don't eat beef steaks. it offends them. | Perfect. For anyone who has a serious issue with this and feels it's unfair, strap an 8oz steak to your belt for retaliation Posted via RS Mobile | |
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I find it funny that people use the argument that just because they haven't heard of anyone getting stabbed by a kirpan in the past means it should be OK to wear it.
How many people heard of box cutters being used to hijack planes before 9/11?
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10-20-2009, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by threezero People are ranting because its unfair. knife, ceremonial or not are permitted for one special group of ppl. imagine going into the olympic and you have nail clipper in your purse or whatever and the security take it from it or you can't go in, than the sikh guy beside u walk straight through with a knife on the belt.
like somebody said before, the kirpan are usually dull but it is a knife still and can be sharpen if wanted to. I can totally see how this rule can be taken advantage by protential shit starters. sure you must have certain defining characteristic to be a sikh, should a security detain and question someone they feel is a fake? if they are allow to is that not discrimination base on religion? How will one prove they are in fact sikh? is there some kind of official document to prove that? With more than 300 people per hours going through the gate, how likely is a fake sikh carrying sharp kirpan looking to start shit going be questioned by the already stressed out security guards?
not being racist or anything, looking at this strictly through a security point of view | I tend to agree with this, allowing sharpened kirpans into Olympic venues could be a potential problem with people looking to start trouble. The Olympics in Vancouver could be a likely target not just for terrorist, but more likely the anti-Olympic protesters we have locally. What is to stop a Sikh member of these groups or someone pretending to be Sikh from carrying a sharpened Kirpan with the intention starting trouble and using it. I don't think anyone really has an issue with practicing Sikh's carrying them, its more the trouble makers looking for an excuse.
I have worked private security at several high profile events in California and the compromise we have allowed for Sikhs to carry Kirpans into these events are that they either must be dull or they must be in sheathes that are glued that make it impossible to unsheath. I believe the state of New York also has this rule about carrying Kirpans into Schools and Federal buildings which was accepted by local Sikh groups. Maybe it would be best to adopt the same policy for the 2010 Olympics? Would you think local Sikh groups in Vancouver find that acceptable?
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10-20-2009, 09:02 AM
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Once again, Canada pulls out the “white guilt” we seem to love. You’re not a white male 25-60? Well do whatever you like then, just don’t call me racist!
The issue here isn’t fairness or racism. Its safety. The Olympics are not a public event, you need to buy tickets for it. You are warned there are no weapons of any kind allowed in the venues. By having a knife of any kind you are violating that rule. No one is banning Sikhs from attending. As a Sikh it is up to you to decide what’s more important. 2010 bobsledding, or your ceremonial knife. Why is that a problem? I’m sure most Sikhs would have no problem making the decision that is best for them, and what works with there own lifestyle.
The same argument has been made over an over again. Take bike helmets, motorcycle or otherwise. If you wear ceremonial headgear of any kind of religion, you are taking that upon yourself, and it should be realized you won’t be able to ride a bike because we have helmet laws. But Canada caves, and makes one group of people exempt over others.
Here in Canada, you have freedom of religion, for all people. That’s a great thing! It becomes not such a great thing when any group of people seems to exploit this at the cost of safety and reason of others. Freedom of religion means you are free to choose. Those choices may lead you to not being able to attend certain events or be involved with certain activities. But it’s still your choice. Why is my safety and the safety of my friends and family and the mercy of ones groups freedom of choice in religion? Seems odd doesn’t it?
Hopefully one day Canada drops the Ultra PC BS.
As a side note, no, I don’t think any Sikhs will be pulling the knife out and stabbing anyone, but that’s really not the point. Weapons are banned for a reason, the safety of everyone. These are private events on a world stage. It might not take much to set someone off, Sikh or not.
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10-20-2009, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 91civicZC The issue here isn’t fairness or racism. Its safety. The Olympics are not a public event, you need to buy tickets for it. You are warned there are no weapons of any kind allowed in the venues. By having a knife of any kind you are violating that rule. | But in true form, the Kirpan is not a weapon. That's where I think the misunderstanding is.
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