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fliptuner 11-21-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 6693457)
shoulda parked em somewhere and moved the DTES into em

Moved the DTES into them first, taken it here http://maps.google.com/maps?q=bernar...N&hl=en&tab=wl
then killed the engines.

Hondaracer 11-21-2009 12:54 PM

^ lol

at first i was like hmm?.. maybe queen chartlottes?

then you back out and see it's an island, surrounded by islands, surrounded by ocean lol

Gumby 11-21-2009 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Soundy (Post 6693370)
They looked slick and high-tech from the outside, but that's about all that was good about them.

I think they would have worked in another part of the world (i.e. Europe), just not in the waters of the Strait of Georgia with our big North-American cars.

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 6693503)
^ lol

at first i was like hmm?.. maybe queen chartlottes?

then you back out and see it's an island, surrounded by islands, surrounded by ocean lol

Not only that, but that island is north of the Arctic Circle!! :lol

Soundy 11-21-2009 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 6694022)
I think they would have worked in another part of the world (i.e. Europe), just not in the waters of the Strait of Georgia with our big North-American cars.

They might have worked better (and still might, in all fairness) somewhere with calmer seas, and nice wide-open seaways where they can get up to full operating speed without worrying about the huge wake.

They're just the wrong design for ANY of BC's ferry routes. They should have chopped a good 10-15 minutes off the crossing, but by the time they crawled out of Horseshoe Bay to avoid destroying everyone's docks, they didn't save any time at all.

SpartanAir 11-22-2009 09:11 AM

It's just amazing to me that BEFORE struggling with all the issues that came up with these ferries, EVERYONE overlooked the fact that if the ferry is going to travel faster, which was the main reason to have the 'fast ferries', why the FUCK did they not think that they just might create large wakes when they approach the docks?

How the FUCK does that LITTLE FACT slip by everyone who approved of the project?

Mancini 11-22-2009 10:43 AM

The problem with the crossing isn't the travel time on the ferry. It's the MULTI-HOUR LINEUP.

How many standard ferries could they have purchased with that money?

johny 11-22-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gumby (Post 6692189)
Huh? According to Wikipedia, they were built by Catamaran Ferries International of Vancouver BC (owned by BC government). Then Washington Marine Group bought them at auction (for 4% of the original cost) once we decided to abandon them.

So is WMG related to CFI?


they were either built in vancouver ship yard or vancouver dry dock. both are owned by washington. CFI might have been the BC gov. supervison of it or something. that was the 3rd one of 3 leaving last week. first 2 already left. they were bought by another ship yard in the middle east and will be turned into yatchs and resold.

Soundy 11-22-2009 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartanAir (Post 6694456)
It's just amazing to me that BEFORE struggling with all the issues that came up with these ferries, EVERYONE overlooked the fact that if the ferry is going to travel faster, which was the main reason to have the 'fast ferries', why the FUCK did they not think that they just might create large wakes when they approach the docks?

How the FUCK does that LITTLE FACT slip by everyone who approved of the project?

It's not the speed so much, as the fact that the cat hulls produce a larger wake than the deep-Vs at the same given speed. So these things had to go EXTRA-slow out of harbor, which negated the (presumably) faster crossing time. They did outpace the C-class boats a bit once they got to open water... assuming the seas weren't too high.

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Originally Posted by Mancini (Post 6694540)
The problem with the crossing isn't the travel time on the ferry. It's the MULTI-HOUR LINEUP.

How many standard ferries could they have purchased with that money?

Well, that was the other problem, they held only a fraction of the C-class ships' car complement.... I think something like 20% less?? Even if they had been able to run full-speed, I don't think it would have been 20% faster.

And of course, the speed doesn't help if you have to stop and clear debris from the jet intakes... and can't handle rough seas as well as the deep-V.

Mancini 11-24-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Soundy (Post 6693370)
They've been trying to sell them for years, and they've sat there rotting. They got what they could for them. That someone else is a better shyster that managed to flip them for more isn't their fault.

Actually, the scrap metal value was reported to be 40 million and they sold them for 19. Presumably, this was done to exaggerate the NDP blunder of commissioning them in the first place.

Shyster's on both sides of the transaction.

!Aznboi128 11-24-2009 10:39 AM

those fast cats would of made a terrific yacht, but in the end its amazing how much we lost selling those things

misteranswer 11-24-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mancini (Post 6697967)
Actually, the scrap metal value was reported to be 40 million and they sold them for 19. Presumably, this was done to exaggerate the NDP blunder of commissioning them in the first place.

Shyster's on both sides of the transaction.

Yet, the Washington Marine group only sold them for several million more. I guess they're trying to exaggerate the NDP blunder too eh?


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