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Old 12-09-2009, 01:49 AM   #1
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What is Honda smoking? ZDX $ vs crosstour $

Honda Accord crosstour:
3.5 L, SOHC, i-vtec V6
271 hp @ 6200
254 torque @ 5000
5-speed auto
FWD (optional 4WD)
appearance: chick + guy repellent
$36 450 (base model)

Acura ZDX:
3.7 L, SOHC, vtec V6
300 hp @ 6300
270 torque @ 4500
6-speed auto
SH-AWD
appearance: chick + guy repellent
$55 990 (base model)

Why is the ZDX so much more when it's basically the same thing as the crosstour except for a minor boost in power and a different badge?

I doubt anyone would pay $55 990 (before taxes and options) for that over other options.
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hp and torque aren't the only factor when you talk about cars' value..
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i'd be hard pressed to spend $55,000 on something as sinfully ugly as the ZDX

it looks like a door jam, and not the nice plastic ones, it's like an old wedge shaped piece of wood from the garage.

edit: optional 4wd on the accord? MY GOD that'd be a wonderful car to own.
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hp and torque aren't the only factor when you talk about cars' value..

ya.. i know.. but seriously..

usually I'll say there are people out there with soo much money that they will end up buying it, but I just don't think my theory applies to the ZDX for the following reasons:

- ZDX is a rebadged accord crosstour (so why not just get the crosstour instead?)
- style is not unique since there are the crosstour and x6
- there is no special history behind it
- it's not limited production or rare (well maybe it's rare if very few are sold)
- it's not very good looking // chicks don't dig it
- it has the grill
- there are way better choices out there
- expensive


usually I expect Hongers or rich kids to buy cars priced like this, but this isn't the case anymore.

fine.. there are two advantages that I didn't mention, and they are:
- SH-AWD
- vtec!!!!!! lolzzzz

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i'd be hard pressed to spend $55,000 on something as sinfully ugly as the ZDX

it looks like a door jam, and not the nice plastic ones, it's like an old wedge shaped piece of wood from the garage.

edit: optional 4wd on the accord? MY GOD that'd be a wonderful car to own.

exactly! you got my point!

my point was why buy the zdx when there is the crosstour with a 4wd option.

I mean 55k for the zdx is quite a lot, and at that price range ppl and rich kids would buy other cars.
There is nothing special/unique enough about the zdx that makes it worth 55k.

I think the zdx is going to be another Acura RL fail.
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They may look similar but this isn't your typical Honda Acura rebadge scheme

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The Accord Crosstour is expected to be a competitor to the Toyota Venza, a crossover based upon the Accord's perennial competitor, the Toyota Camry. The Crosstour and Acura ZDX are said to be inspired by the BMW X6 and upcoming 5 Series Gran Turismo.[21] The Accord Crosstour will be sold exclusively in the US, Canada and Mexico. Despite common belief, the Accord Crosstour is not mechanically related to the Acura ZDX.
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in theory the SH-AWD is a much smarter 4WD, a bit like what's on the X5 M

look at how JC is astonished to look at the torque distribution!!! hahahaha.
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to some the X6 is ugly as sin, but it is selling well. The ZDX is the japanese verison of the X6....it will sell......
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the looks of the ZDX is just different points in perspective, some might like it, some dun
since accord crosstour is here, i hope stream is gonna come soon
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WTF ZDX more expensive than MDX?

now thats messed up
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For $55k+ I'd take a CPO'd X5 4.8iS or a used ML63 over this monstrocity..
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ZDX is based on the MDX and not the Accord........get the facts straight. but I do agree the ZDX is over priced
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the spec for the ZDX and MDX seems exactly the same

weird how Honda still using SOHC on their V6, and not DOHC
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they're both fricken ugly, i wouldn't spend a dime on either. tsx/accord wagon on the otherhand i thought looked great!
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ya.. i know.. but seriously..

usually I'll say there are people out there with soo much money that they will end up buying it, but I just don't think my theory applies to the ZDX for the following reasons:

- ZDX is a rebadged accord crosstour (so why not just get the crosstour instead?)
- style is not unique since there are the crosstour and x6
- there is no special history behind it
- it's not limited production or rare (well maybe it's rare if very few are sold)
- it's not very good looking // chicks don't dig it
- it has the grill
- there are way better choices out there
- expensive


usually I expect Hongers or rich kids to buy cars priced like this, but this isn't the case anymore.

fine.. there are two advantages that I didn't mention, and they are:
- SH-AWD
- vtec!!!!!! lolzzzz
your argument is similar to people who argue about Camry/Lexus ES

Lexus has a lot better interior, exterior, more sound proofing, better ride, better everything.

I don't know about ZDX but I'd guess it's a lot better than Accord Crosstour.
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in theory the SH-AWD is a much smarter 4WD, a bit like what's on the X5 M

look at how JC is astonished to look at the torque distribution!!! hahahaha.
I love that little monitor between the speedo and the tach on my dad's MDX that shows how much torque is going to each wheel. Its pretty neat to see all the torque going to the outside rear wheel when cornering. haha.

Anyways, back onto the ZDX vs Accord Crosstour topic. But the main competitor is not the ZDX, its the Venza. The Crosstour is price very competitively with the Venza too. The top of the line model for both cars are roughly the same.
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ZDX is a fail... I'll take the MDX over ZDX any day for that price
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your argument is similar to people who argue about Camry/Lexus ES

Lexus has a lot better interior, exterior, more sound proofing, better ride, better everything.

I don't know about ZDX but I'd guess it's a lot better than Accord Crosstour.
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same thing with AValon vs camery, bigger, better interior, and more quieter. I would expect the same with ES350 as well.


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VW Tourag? and Q5/Q7?
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^^ true true

but in the case of vw vs audi
and toyota vs lexus

some ppl would pay more just for the name itself (audi, lexus) regardless of the quality difference


acura doesn't quite distinguish itself from honda in the same way other manufactures have with ther luxury vs regular brand.
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ZDX is a fail... I'll take the MDX over ZDX any day for that price
i'd take the rdx over the zdx and mdx!
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the spec for the ZDX and MDX seems exactly the same

weird how Honda still using SOHC on their V6, and not DOHC
cause it's cheaper and for the most part smaller.
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cause it's cheaper and for the most part smaller.
yet, the ZDX seems to be overpriced.


I'm fine with the crosstour's price, but not okay with the ZDXs.
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Neither of those are too appealing to me, but they will probably sell pretty well.
Though i can't wait for the TSX wagons to come next fall.
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the spec for the ZDX and MDX seems exactly the same

weird how Honda still using SOHC on their V6, and not DOHC
http://paultan.org/2005/06/22/sohc-vs-dohc-valvetrains/

More low end torque could be the reason.
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