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Originally Posted by fishing666 death penalty is a bit harsh for smuggling in an illegal chemical substance
what's the difference between having posession of flour, sugar, salt, heroin, crack or even weed? They could all have equivalent weights. same physical forms(powder) It is absurd to be put to death by anothers' hands for being a possesor of his own possession.
but ya, he breaks the law and the law says death penalty so go die. there's a reason for laws. of course it's not always a good law but this guy can be sacrifial lamb for future change in this law. |
The differences between Flour and drugs are that Drugs breaks up families, destroy societies, detroys a person, brings criminals to our society, creates crimes and it goes on and on. THere should be death penalty for drug smuggling including weed just like in Malaysia, Singapore, and they should hang them on a crane like in Iran.
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12-29-2009, 11:06 AM
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#28 | | I don't get it
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Originally Posted by fishing666 lol
what makes you think china has the right to take someone's life for being able to own something materialistic in this world? who said china has the right to own such land? as a matter of fact who owns anything?
one explanation of ownership of of anything having a physical being is free to all until one does work onto it.
the idea is of equivalent trade . bibles and shops and whatever out there is of equivalent trade can be said to be fair game
now what i believe is that having a death sentence for having 4kg of heroin is not equivalent trade. the guy has maybe 20-30years of life left which is not equal to what 4kg of heroin can do that is worth 20-30yrs. forget about risks of being caught or not. You tell me what 20-30yrs is worth.
of course this is china so u can money cuz those chinese like their money
to china 4kg of heroin converted to money = the guys life
ok so, u tell me if it's right to murder someone for his possession of something he owns. |
You step into someone country you play by their rules. Don't bitch and complain.
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12-29-2009, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by fishing666 lol
what makes you think china has the right to take someone's life for being able to own something materialistic in this world? who said china has the right to own such land? as a matter of fact who owns anything?
one explanation of ownership of of anything having a physical being is free to all until one does work onto it.
the idea is of equivalent trade . bibles and shops and whatever out there is of equivalent trade can be said to be fair game
now what i believe is that having a death sentence for having 4kg of heroin is not equivalent trade. the guy has maybe 20-30years of life left which is not equal to what 4kg of heroin can do that is worth 20-30yrs. forget about risks of being caught or not. You tell me what 20-30yrs is worth.
of course this is china so u can money cuz those chinese like their money
to china 4kg of heroin converted to money = the guys life
ok so, u tell me if it's right to murder someone for his possession of something he owns. |
You must be on heroin right now... right?
Admit it..
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12-29-2009, 01:42 PM
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#30 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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Originally Posted by T.H.C According to another news article I read he has been living on the streets for a couple of years prior to this happening. Regardless, you guys have to understand that he was nothing but a mule for a bigger corporation, and 5kg of heroin for someones life did nothing to the grand scheme of things. Posted via RS Mobile | This may be true, but the statistics speak for themselves:
Singapore's # of drug crimes is 89/100,000 capita, whereas Canada's is nearly 90,000/100,000 capita (many drug dealers have multiple offences).
Death IS a strong enough deterrent. If you deal drugs, and tonnes of your drug dealing/growing buddies were being executed with a bullet to the back of the head, you would be retarded to even THINK about doing anything remotely close to dealing.
There are people who think Canada should be a free country yada yada yada, but clearly its obvious we can't handle these freedoms, which is why the drug war is raging on and the cops estimate they don't even bust TEN PERCENT of the total amounts. And then they ask (and get) huger budgets to fight this war, and the ppl who say "yea canada should be a free country" then bitch about the increase in income tax etc! Wake up drones!
As a side note, Kentish Town in London is pretty sketchy, its near a place called Camden where tonnes of goth types go and buy /do all sorts of drugs. In fact, its probably London's equiv of vancouver's DTES so I wouldn't be surprised if he was into it.
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12-29-2009, 02:30 PM
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12-29-2009, 02:51 PM
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i saw that website showing the 90'000 / 100'000, but that's just ridiculous. i don't know where they got those numbers. according to stats canada, the 2007 number is 295 / 100'000, which much more sense.
one can argue all day about how stronger sentences may deter crime, but you can easily look at the states to see that there are so many other factors. they have much harsher sentences, and much higher % of people in jail, but yet their crime rate is still usually much higher than canada. Singapore is harder to compare because it's so small - with probably a much lower poverty rate. but with Canada and the USA - when it comes down to putting food on the table, it's easy to look at drugs as a solution.
and Kentish Town is definitely sketchy... It's weird to go to Camden during the day - because there are so many tourists around the markets, especially on the weekend. but during the night, it completely flips around. I have friends who live around that area, and I tell them to screw off when they invite me over.
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12-29-2009, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by achiam Singapore's # of drug crimes is 89/100,000 capita, whereas Canada's is nearly 90,000/100,000capita (many drug dealers have multiple offences). | You must be an idiot if you actually believe that number  Might want to post up your source link too.
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12-29-2009, 03:28 PM
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| http://www.amnesty.ca/deathpenalty/canada.php "Canadian research on the deterrent effect of punishment has reached the same conclusion as the overwhelming majority of US studies: the death penalty has no special value as a deterrent when compared to other punishments. In fact, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police has stated: "It is futile to base an argument for reinstatement on grounds of deterrence". "
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12-29-2009, 04:07 PM
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#35 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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Originally Posted by bengy You must be an idiot if you actually believe that number Might want to post up your source link too. | You're an idiot. Those numbers are from the Economist's annual world country stat book. Canada is only 2nd to Germany in drug offences.
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12-29-2009, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by achiam This may be true, but the statistics speak for themselves:
Singapore's # of drug crimes is 89/100,000 capita, whereas Canada's is nearly 90,000/100,000 capita (many drug dealers have multiple offences). |
Your comparing whats basically one large city to the second largest country in the world. There could be many reasons for not having a low rate of drug crimes.
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They have just sentenced 5 chinese nationals to death in Vietnam for Marijuana and fake clothing imports into Vietnam.
Some serious shit. But hey if you want to break the law in other countries you need to be prepared for the punishment.
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12-29-2009, 08:42 PM
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my buddy who lived in beijing for 4 years, said like... when he first arrived like 5 years back, every sunday, there would be public executions at Tienanmen square.
he said there would be a buncha soldiers, and some officer there, all dressed in dress uniform, the officer would have some chinese pistol, the person being executed of course is on his knees facing away, and eyes covered.
and at sunrise, bang.
every sunday he said. I guess they got rid of it as more westerners visited beijing.
so... where do they perform their public executions now?
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12-30-2009, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma my buddy who lived in beijing for 4 years, said like... when he first arrived like 5 years back, every sunday, there would be public executions at Tienanmen square.
he said there would be a buncha soldiers, and some officer there, all dressed in dress uniform, the officer would have some chinese pistol, the person being executed of course is on his knees facing away, and eyes covered.
and at sunrise, bang.
every sunday he said. I guess they got rid of it as more westerners visited beijing.
so... where do they perform their public executions now? |
Not sure but I hesitate to say Chongqing? I read an essay describing China's intent to creating a "new" capital city strategically to be dead center of the country. Additionally, the ruling party has a lopsided constituency from rural(inland) type economy so in that sense they want to keep the "yolk" closer and maybe further away from coastal areas.
Your friends description reminds me of change. Any recent Chinese prison movies worth taking a look?
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12-30-2009, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by achiam You're an idiot. Those numbers are from the Economist's annual world country stat book. Canada is only 2nd to Germany in drug offences. | Hey Captain China, go fuck yourself! Post some proof or STFU!
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12-30-2009, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bengy Hey Captain China, go fuck yourself! Post some proof or STFU! | http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-drug-offences http://www.langara.bc.ca/creative-ar...singapore.html - study showing that Singapore as a city has 12x more people than Vancouver yet half the overall crime rate
My original post was erroneous and I apologize -- Singapore has even less crimes as the tables indicate. The disease plaguing Canada is an 8% chunk of the population. I recently shared a flight with a RCMP inspector who told me that the same 8% of the population is a rotating door of dealers and users, coming in/out of custody. This trash of society costs the tax payer on average $10,000 each time they are arrested - costs including police/court proceedings, as well as insurance pay outs for thefts they commit.
For future reference, I'd advise you not to reply like an idiot. It speaks volumes of your socioeconomic class and education level.
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12-30-2009, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by achiam | What the fuck kind of stats are those?
Japan and Switzerland have more drug crimes than Mexico and Bolivia?
USA at #41 out of 60?
Sorry, but if you believe this, you are a fucking moron. Someone has been fucking around with data to make this chart | |
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp What the fuck kind of stats are those?
Japan and Switzerland have more drug crimes than Mexico and Bolivia?
USA at #41 out of 60?
Sorry, but if you believe this, you are a fucking moron. Someone has been fucking around with data to make this chart | I'm not sure that someone has been messing around with the data; rather, I think the data that was used and collected might have been flawed in some way.
What is considered to be a drug-related crime? In some countries simple possession of a single marijuana joint is punishable by jail time and/or a fine; in others, it's not. Some countries are more lax on certain drug laws. After all, if you're an official and are being bribed to look the other way while certain drug cartels are smuggling bricks of cocaine out, there's going to be an oddly low number coming out of that district when someone starts looking at the stats. Conversely, an area that may have a low drug trade market for harder drugs, yet the police will crack down on absolutely ever single joint that a K9 unit can sniff out, will have an unproportional amount of drug related arrests.
Also one thing to remember, those stats are based on population, not total crimes. If you changed that graph around so that it's based on total crimes, you'll have a completely different looking chart.
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12-30-2009, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lomac I'm not sure that someone has been messing around with the data; rather, I think the data that was used and collected might have been flawed in some way.
What is considered to be a drug-related crime? In some countries simple possession of a single marijuana joint is punishable by jail time and/or a fine; in others, it's not. Some countries are more lax on certain drug laws. After all, if you're an official and are being bribed to look the other way while certain drug cartels are smuggling bricks of cocaine out, there's going to be an oddly low number coming out of that district when someone starts looking at the stats. Conversely, an area that may have a low drug trade market for harder drugs, yet the police will crack down on absolutely ever single joint that a K9 unit can sniff out, will have an unproportional amount of drug related arrests.
Also one thing to remember, those stats are based on population, not total crimes. If you changed that graph around so that it's based on total crimes, you'll have a completely different looking chart. | In any case, something is wrong with that data, or the way it is presented. So it's basically useless.
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Originally Posted by achiam http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-drug-offences http://www.langara.bc.ca/creative-ar...singapore.html - study showing that Singapore as a city has 12x more people than Vancouver yet half the overall crime rate
My original post was erroneous and I apologize -- Singapore has even less crimes as the tables indicate. The disease plaguing Canada is an 8% chunk of the population. I recently shared a flight with a RCMP inspector who told me that the same 8% of the population is a rotating door of dealers and users, coming in/out of custody. This trash of society costs the tax payer on average $10,000 each time they are arrested - costs including police/court proceedings, as well as insurance pay outs for thefts they commit.
For future reference, I'd advise you not to reply like an idiot. It speaks volumes of your socioeconomic class and education level. | Way to fail again. S T F U. Nobody cares about Singapore and their crime rate, or what they do to the dealers. Like I said before, if you like it so much, feel free to move there.
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Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS The people "give" governments the right to enforce rules and penalty.
He knew what could happen if he gets caught. He took the risk. Now he is paying for it. It is that simple.
equivalent trade... you think this is fullmetal alchemist or something? lol
Stop watching animation all day... go out for change. | an execution is no more than mere murder
government may say: people told me to kill him. im no killer
people may say..i dont know but there is no conclusive answer to what the people want. is the majority always right? minorities deserve a say too.
the actual killer: government told me to kill him. im no killer
i just want to point out, again, nobody deserves to be killed for owning his posessions. even if it could be dangerous why not execute cops for posessing material of threat too?(cop+taser story anyone?)
aside from this ethical view,
i totally agree that he deserves punishment as the law permits.
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When I come to power, there will be public executions for a whole lot less than 4kg of heroin.
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Again, thte dude is not getting whacked for OWNING the 4 kg of cocaine. You got the point wrong. Quote:
Originally Posted by fishing666 an execution is no more than mere murder
government may say: people told me to kill him. im no killer
people may say..i dont know but there is no conclusive answer to what the people want. is the majority always right? minorities deserve a say too.
the actual killer: government told me to kill him. im no killer
i just want to point out, again, nobody deserves to be killed for owning his posessions. even if it could be dangerous why not execute cops for posessing material of threat too?(cop+taser story anyone?)
aside from this ethical view,
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Originally Posted by wouwou Again, thte dude is not getting whacked for OWNING the 4 kg of cocaine. You got the point wrong. Posted via RS Mobile | "The court's declaration was the first official confirmation that the Briton's execution for heroin smuggling will go forward."
based on the news article the guy will be murdered for heroin smuggling.
own 4kg herion @ location A - i dont know what will happen
own 4kg herion @ location B - i dont know what will happen
own 4kg herion from location A --> B results in execution
he owns the 4kg herion.
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