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wasabisashimi 01-16-2010 11:17 AM

mATX or ATX mobo?
 
I have a full ATX silverstone tower.

I know i should be getting a ATX mobo.

But due to budget and reviews, the ATX boards aren't as good (from user reviews) and from price point. Also the choices are a few.

Now i looked into mATX boards, there are more selections and priced well compare to the bigger atx.


What is the downside of using a mATX in a larger, huge case?...
Note: I will not need to install crazy Graphic cards, maybe just one simple one for multimedia playback. I will need to install a Wireless N network card in it.

SkinnyPupp 01-16-2010 11:20 AM

There is no downside. If the mATX board has everything you need, then it is fine.

Jmac 01-16-2010 11:37 AM

There's no downside ... I use mATX boards all the time; there are plenty of good mATX boards to choose from, especially from AMD.

urrh 01-16-2010 01:39 PM

the only thing i don't like about my mATX board is that there's no room for a dual slot video card. but that's not an issue with you

ddr 01-16-2010 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urrh (Post 6773018)
the only thing i don't like about my mATX board is that there's no room for a dual slot video card. but that's not an issue with you

good point, and sometimes if you plan to install a larger heatsink or fan the space available may be tight

Jmac 01-16-2010 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urrh (Post 6773018)
the only thing i don't like about my mATX board is that there's no room for a dual slot video card. but that's not an issue with you

There's plenty of room on some mATX boards ... I've used a few Gigabyte mATX boards that had room; one with a pair of HD 4870s (dual slot, obviously) ...

Just don't plan on installing anything else ;)

John 01-16-2010 07:26 PM

For me there are only 3 reasons to use an mATX MB
1) you are building a small form factor computer
2) you are on a budget
3) you want some onboard video chipset that is used for cheap builds.
In all other cases an ATX MB can have more features and better cooling solutions.

Only item 2 applies to you.
If you are on a budget, what are you doing with a Silverstone case?

wasabisashimi 01-16-2010 11:16 PM

I hope the aftermarket HSF will fit on the mATX socket

SkinnyPupp 01-16-2010 11:32 PM

The only difference between an ATX and mATX motherboard is the length at the bottom. This means the ATX can fit a couple more PCI slots, and maybe some extra components like more SATA slots, more USB outputs, etc. Maybe a whacky cooler or something.

Other than that, there is no difference.

If an mATX has all the features you need, then get it. It doesn't automatically make your system a "budget system" or have insufficient "cooling features".

John 01-17-2010 09:21 AM

Hey Skinnypup,
What in particular didn't you like about my last post? It appears you are sensitive to people criticizing your viewpoints. I see why you removed the "FAIL" button from your profile now. You can dish it out but can't take it. LOL

If you a going to be a Mod you need to be fair, and not act like you know everything.

SkinnyPupp 01-17-2010 09:48 AM

I'm not sensitive to anything, I failed your post because you were wrong.

John 01-17-2010 12:26 PM

I would like to defend my post. Which one is wrong? Pick A or B
A) An ATX MB can have more features
B) An ATX MB can have better cooling solutions.

I think you will have difficulties in making an argument because of the word "can". I did not use "will always".

It there something else that you disagree with?

Personally, I think you read something into my post that is not there.

SkinnyPupp 01-17-2010 08:48 PM

OK:

#1 is wrong, because you don't have to be building a SFF system to use a mATX motherboard.

#2 is wrong, because you don't have to be on a budget to use an mATX board. There are some very expensive mATX boards, and some very cheap ATX boards.

#3 is wrong, because onboard video has nothing to do with anything. mATX boards can use whatever video card you put into it, if you want to do that. And ATX boards with onboard video use the same chipsets as mATX.

Your "can have" statements are wrong too, because mATX boards "can have" better features than an ATX board. It all depends on which one you are talking about

So as you can see, your fail was justified :thumbsup: Stop being so butthurt over it.

John 01-17-2010 09:35 PM

^ FAIL
On every point!

John 01-17-2010 10:23 PM

To Skinnypup (others should avoid this discussion, to avoid wasting their time)

This is no longer discussion about mATX but is a discussion about your English
comprehension skills.

Points 1 to 3 are statements of my personal preferences. This is clearly stated. I was not making comments about your preferences. I am entitled to express my opinion whatever it may be. A person's personal preferences can never be wrong.

The term "can have" makes no blanket claims. You are reading "can have" and your brain is thinking I am writing "always have". The statements are not the same. i.e. If I say "Hondas can have 4WD", it does not mean all Hondas have 4WD. You think I am saying "Hondas always have 4WD".

You should best avoid debates.

asian_XL 01-18-2010 05:48 AM

I've built 7 MATX systems and 3 ATX systems for my friends in 2009, except the few missing PCI slots, there's no difference in term of performance or cooling

the reason why people think MATX is crippled is because the market is flooded with low-end MATX boards. You better check these out...

http://www.evga.com/articles/00487/
http://www.techspot.com/review/154-asus-rampage-2-gene/
http://www.dfi.com.tw/portal/CM/cmpr...rmal&mode=view

wasabisashimi 01-18-2010 03:41 PM

those are nice boards, but its way over the budget price from 60-90$

going to find a cheap AM2+ /AM3 set, cheapest one i seen is 760G chip @$63 dollars with 2 memory slots and onboard video ATI3000 which i wont even use. I figure i will never need more than 2gb or 4gb ram anyways, 2 slot is more than enough for Dual channel ram.

willystyle 01-18-2010 03:57 PM

You might wanna consider picking up a AM3 set, just so you can "futureproof", and use DDR3 RAM. DDR2 and DDR3 RAM are currently around the same price point, but later on down the road, DDR3 will definitely be cheaper.

Not to mention, with AM3 boards, you have the option of picking up a Phenom (or later CPUs) when the price drops.

.Renn.Sport 01-18-2010 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John (Post 6774310)
I would like to defend my post. Which one is wrong? Pick A or B
A) An ATX MB can have more features
B) An ATX MB can have better cooling solutions.

I think you will have difficulties in making an argument because of the word "can". I did not use "will always".

It there something else that you disagree with?

Personally, I think you read something into my post that is not there.


There are high performance M-ATX boards out there with no on-board videos and same feature set as an high end ATX board
your points are not valid

here is one
http://www.hardwaresphere.com/wp-con...otherboard.jpg

wasabisashimi 01-18-2010 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willystyle (Post 6776206)
You might wanna consider picking up a AM3 set, just so you can "futureproof", and use DDR3 RAM. DDR2 and DDR3 RAM are currently around the same price point, but later on down the road, DDR3 will definitely be cheaper.

Not to mention, with AM3 boards, you have the option of picking up a Phenom (or later CPUs) when the price drops.

my current cpu only fits on am2/AM2+ sockets. I am just trying to hold onto to it as long as possible before replacing everything in a couple of years when i have more money. Current motherboard is crapping out as we speak.

P.S. i dont believe in future-proofing in computer technology, things are changing way to fast, and I am not that hardcore. Whatever is cheap and stable will do

willystyle 01-18-2010 08:57 PM

^ Well, neither do I, that's why I had the word futureproof in quotations.

I didn't know you had an existing CPU, othewise go with the AM2+ setup. I am building from scratch, so it's a different situation for me.

SkinnyPupp 01-18-2010 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wasabisashimi (Post 6776749)
my current cpu only fits on am2/AM2+ sockets. I am just trying to hold onto to it as long as possible before replacing everything in a couple of years when i have more money. Current motherboard is crapping out as we speak.

P.S. i dont believe in future-proofing in computer technology, things are changing way to fast, and I am not that hardcore. Whatever is cheap and stable will do

What CPU do you have?

wasabisashimi 01-18-2010 11:36 PM

Old ass AMD FX-62

SkinnyPupp 01-18-2010 11:46 PM

Time to upgrade ;)

wasabisashimi 01-18-2010 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 6777041)
Time to upgrade ;)

almost couldn't resist the intel I5 750. Saving up right now and waiting to see what AMD has to offer.


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