My sentiments EXACTLY.

The US has never been about being fair. Its about the American Dream, the struggle to get ahead of everyone else and reap the rewards for doing do.

Personally I think its a better system than a fair one. Fair systems discourage productivity as there's no incentive to do better.

That's fucking retarded. Tell that to the many who lost their homes to medical bills as a result of a simple accident. The American system is completely broken, it has nothing to do with fair. Especially when you have Insurance companies that can turn around and deny coverage at anytime, without a Universal System you at basically at the whim of the insurance company with no actual backup plan.

and that is why its unfair.

Its simple.. Both systems suck. Theres no perfect system.
I believe Canadian system is the lesser of 2 evils.

Wtf? We're talking about people's lives here and their accessibility to decent health care coverage, not Communist-style equal wages.

Fail!

michael moore: sicko.

download/rent it. enjoy.

Yes enjoy it, cause his films are entertainment, not education. They are one sided, biased, and do a dis-service to those who think they are documentaries.

Good teachers explain all sides and let people make their own decisions of what's right and wrong.

Anyone who praises Cuba should not be taken seriously. Sure Cuban healthcare is great, yet I dare you to live in Cuba a single day and tell me if its worth it.

You have to equate the 2, since its America's class-based culture that contributes to different levels of care.

We Canadians don't like to associate the wages with healthcare, yet that's our culture, why should we force our culture on them?

We often mis-interpret the American healthcare debate. Most Americans have coverage (only 15% have no coverage), and those 15% aren't going to win any election. The other 85% want change to healthcare, not universal coverage cause they already have coverage.

So lemme get this straight..... the guy is sick for months, goes hunting and falls super ill. He's taken to a Canadian hospital where they identify the problem and begin treatment. His wife comes and "saves" him by taking him to a US hospital. The US hospital agrees with Canadian hospital. He ignores the hospitals and goes home. A few weeks later the hospitals says he is cured and there's nothing for them to fix. By some voodoo this makes the Canadian hospital that resolved his problem bad?

Cuba is safe and surprisingly clean. During my two weeks there I saw about 60% of the island, hit a fair bit of it's major cities, and had no problems.

Sure theres room for improvement, and I may not have gotten the entire "Cuban Experience" as a tourist, but I saw and learned enough to know that nobody is lying moaning in the streets begging for some tape to seal their open wounds.

If Cuba were a capitalist nation I'd live there.

The article states the Canadian hospital couldn't do anything for him... I don't know where you got the "Canadian hospital where they identify the problem and begin treatment" part...

How many locals did you visit? Did you see how they live? Did you see how well they live compared to how well we live? I wouldn't trade my lifestyle for theirs, even if they live longer and are healthier.

If Cuba were capitalist the country would be very different. Its easy to pay for socialism when you regulate what everyone can have, and keep the majority for the government.

You STILL don't get it. Im not that surprised to be honest.

People have posted about good, peer-reviewed analysis of different health care systems in the world. You then scrutinies/debunk their analysis as biased and compare it to the JD power and associates and their review of the Hummer? Are you serious?

The recent gallop poll actually estimates the number to be around 16% percent. http://www.gallup.com/poll/121820/on...insurance.aspx and its steadily been rising. That's approximately 4.8 million give or take with our health care coverage and if they were diagnosed with a moderately serious condition requiring surgery. Preventable deaths at it's finest. Canadian health care system? Theoretically ZERO. By your argument you pretty much condemning the uninsured to go to hell. Simply because they're poor?

I never said our health care system was the best in the world. Nor did I say we shouldn't make changes. In fact, there should be major changes. But your argument that the American health care system is FAR superior to the Canadian system is simply FLAWED. How can you argue for a health care system that abandons a significant portion of the population?

American health care providers have better diagnostic equipment you say? Just as a great mechanic would be a great mechanic with out the best tools. A great medical practitioner does not need the latest and greatest equipment to be a great medical practitioner.

The American health care system is great if you have the money for it. Unfortunately, you nor myself can actually afford the best care in the US. That being said if you're a filthy rich Canadian you can fly in world renowned experts here and have your surgery done here. No one is stopping you.

Seems to me, you're pretty sold on the American system. You'll only hear and see what you want. Since their system is so great why not just move down there?

P.S. The production Hummer is in fact a piece of shit car that had reliability issues with the power train AND the outrageous gas mileage. Thus, the negative feedback from people who bought the car. How is that not legitimate?

I'm not surprised you don't understand my points. You're willing to hand out infractions based on personal distaste highlighting you're not even capable of a mature discussion.

I would ignore you if I could.

Please don't bother replying to my posts, save your energy for someone who's going to read and respond to them. If you wish to retract your infraction I'll reconsider.

You're right. I should have just stopped. Your posts speaks of your maturity and intellect more than I could even hope to disprove.

You don't get to comment on maturity when your first reply in their thread was insulting, then responses with further insults, then blinding failing posts for no reason other than immaturity, and to top it off handing out an infraction for pointing out your bad behaviour, all while you're supposed to be setting the example as a moderator. Good job. :thumbsup:

Please don't try and sit on a high horse now, you've already dragged yourself through the mud.

I read through every single post I've failed. Much to my dismay.

Anyways, back on topic.

Anyway we can convert the thread to a poll? For Canadian health care or for American health care?

perhaps you should reread the article.