The Official Apple iPad Thread

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by 604778

expensive

Compared to what? A loaf of bread? A Gallardo?

silly looking

So's your momma.

stupid name

Granted.

no camera
no flash

What do you think it is, a phone?

annoying to carry and use

Voice of experience?

Originally Posted by jmvdesign

Gizmodo's 8 Things That Suck About the iPad
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No Cameras
No front facing camera is one thing. But no back facing camera either? Why the hell not? I can't imagine what the downside was for including at least one camera. Could this thing not handle video iChat?

Why the FUCK would you want a rear-facing camera on this thing? So people can iChat with your crotch??!

Touch Keyboard
So much for Apple revolutionizing tablet inputs; this is the same big, ugly touchscreen keyboard we've seen on other tablets, and unless you're lying on the couch with your knees propping it up, it'll be awkward to use.

How the hell else would your "revolutionize" keyboard input?? A slide-out keyboard like on some phones? Then people would whinge about the extra thickness that adds. TANSTAAFL.

Adapters, Adapters, Adapters
So much for those smooth lines. If you want to plug anything into this, such as a digital camera, you need all sorts of ugly adapters. You need an adapter for USB for god's sake.

Pssst... I need an adapter/cable to plug my digital camera into my laptop too :P

Sure there's lots to not like about the thing, but some of the complaints are just getting silly. OH NOEZ, IT DOESN'T MAKE COFFEE EITHER!! IT SUXORZZ!

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

Think how do you carry a paper notebook or book around? You can use a bag, or just carry it with your hand. You do the same with the ipad.

I don't carry paper notebooks around. Why? Cause they don't fit in my pocket.

A book is different. I will carry that in my hand, throw it on the car seat, or leave it on a table at a coffee shop. Why? Cause it costs $30, not $700. If it goes missing, get dropped, gets spilled on, ... I'm not worried.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

And this thing is so thin, I can just put it in my laptop bag with my laptop.

My laptop is already in my bag, why do I need another $700 toy to carry around?

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

And apple isn't stupid, they wouldn't want this thing to cut into their macbook or iphone sales.

iPhone sales have cut into iPod sales.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

Yes goes up. Just look at the newton! It was soooo cool and expensive at the time. Where is it now? That was a niche product.

This is a niche product, and at $700 isn't not cheap. 16GB isn't enough to hold videos, which is supposed to be a selling point of this. Its a simple portable multimedia centre - without enough space. So people will be buying the $600 and $700 models.

Lets not even get into the $30-70 add-ons and the $130 3G option with a $30 data plan. Now I need a data plan for my phone, and my iPad.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

Lets just say if I had to buy my grandparents a computer to surf the net and do some email...I would get the ipad.

I would also get one for my GF's 8yo, yet she would quickly be very disappointed in it like she is with her DSi. She wanted a DSi to surf the internet, to play online games and watch videos. Unfortunately the DSi does not support flash, so its useless for 90% of her surfing. She nearly cried when I informed her of this, since she had debated between the DSi and a iTouch just so she could sit on the couch and surf.

I reassured her that the iTouch doesn't have flash either, she'd only get access to YouTube yet lose all her cool DS games. She felt better.

Any device that claims to be the ultimate internet device and lacks flash is garbage IMHO.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

You speak like you have already played with it.

So do you.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Soundy

Pssst... I need an adapter/cable to plug my digital camera into my laptop too :P

That cable is included FREE with your camera. The iPad connector costs another $30, and still needs the same cable that came free with your camera.

[Presto]

500 bucks is not cheap, especially for the features (or lack of).

It's easy to pick out the Apple fanboys when you look through the comments on Gizmodo and other sites. They're the only ones defending this piece of junk.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Great68

I couldn't have imagined replacing my notebook in school with something like this.

Pieces of paper don't need to be charged to be used, they don't break when you drop them, and aren't succeptible to system crashes and file corruption.

Exactly. I abuse a $5 notepad cause that's what it is for. A handy cheap pad to keep around and take quick notes without caring about its condition. I would cringe at abusing a $700 tablet.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Iceman_2K

Take it from someone who works with the health care industry very intimately (US Health care that is) - they don't. They want everything to occur with one click, and the easier the better. They don't like complexity and don't care for the ability to do more than one thing at one time - especially when liability is on the line if a mistake is made. I've seen doctors ask for workstations that cost upwards to $30000 and all they do on it is put their coffee cup on the top of it and browse the Wall Street Journal. A machine, whether it be a laptop, desktop or whatever, is just a tool. The simpler and easier it is for them to pick up and use, the better.

Most of the remarks so far have been comparing it to the netbook and laptop replacements, or even desktop replacements. That's a pretty limited and short sighted view as to what this device can do and its potential applications.

I'm a software developer in the health care industry.

The iPad will have no place in the healthcare industry. There are too many software development barriers, and few financial incentives.

Hospitals invest $Ms in software/hardware, and are slow to change cause of it. All hospitals I have worked with are heavily invested in Microsoft cause it solves their security concerns regarding workstation/care provider access.

The iPad does not have a rich enough security system that implements these features, requiring custom software which would only add to a hospitals already large investment in IT, and render their current systems useless.

[Ferra]

Originally Posted by Presto

500 bucks is not cheap, especially for the features (or lack of).

It's easy to pick out the Apple fanboys when you look through the comments on Gizmodo and other sites. They're the only ones defending this piece of junk.

Well considering the iphone cost $600+, this really isn't a bad price, especially considering apple's stuffs are alway overpriced.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by jmvdesign

A Closed App Ecosystem
The iPad only runs apps from the App Store. The same App Store that is notorious for banning apps for no real reason, such as Google Voice. Sure, netbooks might not have touchscreens, but you can install whatever software you'd like on them. Want to run a different browser on your iPad? Too bad!"

People have blasted Microsoft for the software development monopoly they have, yet are willing to turn a blind eye to Apple's closed door policies.

Fucking sheeple.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Ferra

Well considering the iphone cost $600+, this really isn't a bad price, especially considering apple's stuffs are alway overpriced.

Repeated over pricing isn't a bad thing? Man have you been brainwashed stupid.

$200 premium for 48 GB of extra flash is a money grab. Flash memory is cheap, especially at the manufacturing stage.

[Ferra]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Repeated over pricing isn't a bad thing? Man have you been brainwashed stupid.

$200 premium for 48 GB of extra flash is a money grab. Flash memory is cheap, especially at the manufacturing stage.

Not sure what you mean by repeated over pricing

but as much as I think the iphone is overpriced, it has sold IMMENSELY WELL, which means they were able to deliver its value for the majority of the customers. So I don't see anything wrong with comparing the pricing between this and the iphone.

And welcome to the real world! Just because it is cheap to manufactured doesn't mean they have to charge you cheap. Business charge whatever they can get out of the customers. Otherwise, we'd be all buying window for $5 instead of $200, and car's upgrade like audio package and premium package would cost $100 instead of $2000.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Ferra

Not sure what you mean by repeated over pricing

but as much as I think the iphone is overpriced, it has sold IMMENSELY WELL, which means they were able to deliver its value for the majority of the customers. So I don't see anything wrong with comparing the pricing between this and the iphone.

Apple products have always been overpriced. Its been accepted for iPods since relatively they are cheap, and subsidized by providers for iPhones, yet hasn't worked for Macs that are overpriced laptops and don't sell well (~5% market share).

The iPad is competing with laptops, not phones. Stop comparing it to iPhone pricing. Apple's success record is dismal in the PC/laptop world, and I don't predict the iPad will change that.

Originally Posted by Ferra

And welcome to the real world! Just because it is cheap to manufactured doesn't mean they have to charge you cheap. Business charge whatever they can get out of the customers. Otherwise, we'd be all buying window for $5 instead of $200, and car's upgrade like audio package and premium package would cost $100 instead of $2000.

I use a laptop in the real world, and SD cards are cheap to buy and use.

Business will charge whatever they can get, and time will tell if people are willing to pay $700 for another toy that does everything they can currently do.

[SuperSlowSS]

Originally Posted by taylor192

I don't carry paper notebooks around. Why? Cause they don't fit in my pocket.

A book is different. I will carry that in my hand, throw it on the car seat, or leave it on a table at a coffee shop. Why? Cause it costs $30, not $700. If it goes missing, get dropped, gets spilled on, ... I'm not worried.


My laptop is already in my bag, why do I need another $700 toy to carry around?

if you want extreme portability, then yes iphone. I don't know why you keep saying $700. It is $499 to start. I would get that model. And use it like a notebook, book. Throw it in car seat, carry it in my hand. And try my best not to drop it. haha

I would use it with my laptop. Basically having an extra display. Maybe load some api doc while coding? Instead of having to juggle multiple windows.

Originally Posted by taylor192

iPhone sales have cut into iPod sales.

what does that have to do with ipad? Besides, apple had almost 7 year run with ipod before iphone came out.

Originally Posted by taylor192

This is a niche product, and at $700 isn't not cheap. 16GB isn't enough to hold videos, which is supposed to be a selling point of this. Its a simple portable multimedia centre - without enough space. So people will be buying the $600 and $700 models.

Lets not even get into the $30-70 add-ons and the $130 3G option with a $30 data plan. Now I need a data plan for my phone, and my iPad.

Watching video on 10" screen..thats just a gimmick to me. And at that res, you don't need super high def stuff. I personally don't plan to use it for much media stuff. So $499 one works for me and alot of people.

Originally Posted by taylor192

I would also get one for my GF's 8yo, yet she would quickly be very disappointed in it like she is with her DSi. She wanted a DSi to surf the internet, to play online games and watch videos. Unfortunately the DSi does not support flash, so its useless for 90% of her surfing. She nearly cried when I informed her of this, since she had debated between the DSi and a iTouch just so she could sit on the couch and surf.

I reassured her that the iTouch doesn't have flash either, she'd only get access to YouTube yet lose all her cool DS games. She felt better.

Any device that claims to be the ultimate internet device and lacks flash is garbage IMHO.

It isn't perfect, thats why it is v1.0. And like I said.. good for people that are not tech savvy. I guess you missed my point when I said for grandparents.

[Iceman_2K]

Viewing medical reports / reference images over the web has already been tried on the iphone, and other mobile devices. There's no reason for it not to be just as doable on the ipad.

This isn't an arguement about changing an entire infrastructure from MS to Apple just to support one device. This is about augmenting a new device into your existing infrastructure, which happens all the time.

No one says you have to build an Iphone OS app just to look at patient records or view patient images. Web access to a webserver can give you that, and all you need is IE or Safari (the company i work for does this along with other software applications for patient information). This can be easily deployed and doesn't need any additional software, since the built in browser can be used and security is handled by the Webserver itself. For a doctor to be able to see a report, and not have to be at a workstation terminal, is a big deal, especially for emergency situations. Current PC based tablets are much larger than the physical dimensions of the IPAD, and are bulky to carry around. The closest Windows powered device i can think if that is just as good as this in terms of carrying it around is the Lenovo device released at CES, where the monitor portion can be removed and used as an individual device.

In terms of wifi network security, the Iphone OS utilizes WEP, WPA, WPA2, WPA Enterprise and WPA2 Enterprise currently. Most hospitals I've worked at are using one of the two latter ones on that list. Unless there's something newer or better that is being used out there, I would imagine that most companies, healthcare or not, are using WPA2 Enterprise.

This thing is not going to replace the laptop or desktop - given it's specs, that's a given. What it does do is give you an alternative when a laptop is not a good option, and a full blown desktop is too much. If someone could load this thing up with android or Windows 7, all the better. But the idea I see behind this is not really so much another Apple device, but another gadget that you can come up with different solutions with. The OS can change at will, so things like multitask and flash are easy implementations. Whether or not its implemented is something that Apple would have to decide. There are tonnes of things that we would have like implemented in Windows 7 that didn't - this isn't any different.

Originally Posted by taylor192

I'm a software developer in the health care industry.

The iPad will have no place in the healthcare industry. There are too many software development barriers, and few financial incentives.

Hospitals invest $Ms in software/hardware, and are slow to change cause of it. All hospitals I have worked with are heavily invested in Microsoft cause it solves their security concerns regarding workstation/care provider access.

The iPad does not have a rich enough security system that implements these features, requiring custom software which would only add to a hospitals already large investment in IT, and render their current systems useless.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

if you want extreme portability, then yes iphone. I don't know why you keep saying $700. It is $499 to start. I would get that model. And use it like a notebook, book. Throw it in car seat, carry it in my hand. And try my best not to drop it. haha

Cause this is supposed to replace a laptop, and 16 GB is paltry for videos.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

I would use it with my laptop. Basically having an extra display. Maybe load some api doc while coding? Instead of having to juggle multiple windows.

and the "maybes" already come out. Even you cannot think of a good reason to drag a $500 toy around.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

what does that have to do with ipad? Besides, apple had almost 7 year run with ipod before iphone came out.

See your original response dumbass.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

Watching video on 10" screen..thats just a gimmick to me. And at that res, you don't need super high def stuff. I personally don't plan to use it for much media stuff. So $499 one works for me and alot of people.

OK, so lets get this straight:
- You're not using it for video.
- You're not using it for music, since you'll be carrying an iPhone/iPod.
- You're not using it as a cell phone, since you'll be carrying one.
- You're putting it in the same bag as your laptop.

So what are you using it for?

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

It isn't perfect, thats why it is v1.0.

That's the worst argument of all. Lets release a POS, yet poeple will buy it, so we won't need to make it better till v2.0.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

It isn't perfect, thats why it is v1.0. And like I said.. good for people that are not tech savvy. I guess you missed my point when I said for grandparents.

I guess you missed my point about kids.

Grandparents is a pretty niche and limited market.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Iceman_2K

Viewing medical reports / reference images over the web has already been tried on the iphone, and other mobile devices. There's no reason for it not to be just as doable on the ipad.

This isn't an arguement about changing an entire infrastructure from MS to Apple just to support one device. This is about augmenting a new device into your existing infrastructure, which happens all the time.

Find me a hospital willing to invest in hardware that only supports reading reports from the web.

My company's software has web features too, I agree they can be made available on any platform. Yet is a hospital going to invest in a narrow single purpose technology? Past experience says 'no', yet you're free to prove me wrong. Good luck.

[SuperSlowSS]

why so angry?
I can see that you can't comprehend what I wrote or just very closed mind person. But for the last time.. it isn't a replacement for your laptop.

Originally Posted by taylor192

Cause this is supposed to replace a laptop, and 16 GB is paltry for videos.


and the "maybes" already come out. Even you cannot think of a good reason to drag a $500 toy around.


See your original response dumbass.


OK, so lets get this straight:
- You're not using it for video.
- You're not using it for music, since you'll be carrying an iPhone/iPod.
- You're not using it as a cell phone, since you'll be carrying one.
- You're putting it in the same bag as your laptop.

So what are you using it for?


That's the worst argument of all. Lets release a POS, yet poeple will buy it, so we won't need to make it better till v2.0.


I guess you missed my point about kids.

Grandparents is a pretty niche and limited market.

[Preemo]

If it could multitask and have Flash, then it wouldn't be so bad.

But since it doesn't, I already hate it.

I had to hack my iPhone JUST so it could multitask. How sad is that?

[+Kardboard+]

Someone needs to put Android on it.

Or better yet, Windows. HAHAHAHAHAH

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

why so angry?
I can see that you can't comprehend what I wrote or just very closed mind person. But for the last time.. it isn't a replacement for your laptop.

Not angry, I'm critical. You have only pointed out one good use of this product: grandparents.

I don't buy $700 toys that have no purpose. If it makes you feel better to do so, go ahead. You're a stupid fanboy that wants to waste his money, and its your money to waste. Just don't try and convince us you're not merely wasting your money on the latest and greatest toy.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Preemo

But since it doesn't, I already hate it.

Why hate? Hating wastes energy.

It's a new product that doesn't suit your needs. So don't buy it. Big deal. Get over it, move on with your life.

Buncha fuckin' whiners.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Not angry, I'm critical. You have only pointed out one good use of this product: grandparents.

I don't buy $700 toys that have no purpose. If it makes you feel better to do so, go ahead. You're a stupid fanboy that wants to waste his money, and its your money to waste. Just don't try and convince us you're not merely wasting your money on the latest and greatest toy.

I assume from your avatar and sig picture, you drive a Mercedes?

Why would you pay that much extra for a car when a $14,000 Kia will get you from point A to point B just as efficiently (MORE efficiently, for that matter)?

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Soundy

I assume from your avatar and sig picture, you drive a Mercedes?

Why would you pay that much extra for a car when a $14,000 Kia will get you from point A to point B just as efficiently (MORE efficiently, for that matter)?

Did I try to convince you my car was not a waste of money?
Did I try to convince you my car was magical and revolutionary?
Did I try to convince you my car will sell like hotcakes?
Did I try to convince you my car fills a void in the car market?

No.

Nice try though

[SuperSlowSS]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Not angry, I'm critical. You have only pointed out one good use of this product: grandparents.

I don't buy $700 toys that have no purpose. If it makes you feel better to do so, go ahead. You're a stupid fanboy that wants to waste his money, and its your money to waste. Just don't try and convince us you're not merely wasting your money on the latest and greatest toy.

Using grandparents as an extreme example. It can be anybody that just have very basic needs for computers. Anybody that just use netbook for basic surfing and doing some email will find this as an alternative. Since apple doesn't make any netbooks, it is perfect for them to attack that market segment.

So do you always resort to calling names when you have no good points? I will let it go, since I know you are probably pretty young.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

Using grandparents as an extreme example. It can be anybody that just have very basic needs for computers. Anybody that just use netbook for basic surfing and doing some email will find this as an alternative. Since apple doesn't make any netbooks, it is perfect for them to attack that market segment.

Agreed.

Yet that response is not inline with the fanboy line you've been holding. Glad you've come around.

Originally Posted by SuperSlowSS

So do you always resort to calling names when you have no good points? I will let it go, since I know you are probably pretty young.

Its the opposite, I'm wise beyond my years. I'm 31yo. I read profusely about anything and everything and have an opinion on anything and everything.

I'm a know-it-all smart-ass and get frustrated with people who aren't as educated, or who are hypocritical.

[Preemo]

Originally Posted by Soundy

Why hate? Hating wastes energy.

It's a new product that doesn't suit your needs. So don't buy it. Big deal. Get over it, move on with your life.

Buncha fuckin' whiners.

Hate because the one chance that one great company could come in and sweep the tablet market they fuck themselves in the ass with a weak product.

You will always have whiners and haters and then you will always have Mac Zealots.

The whole idea of bashing this product before it's even out is to prove a point that a $600 useless tablet that does less than an iPhone does is more like a public service than an opinion.

What do you like about it so much that has you defending a product like you are some sort of hero battling the evils of world?