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Que. government forced woman from classroom for refusing to remove face covering
Imo it was a good move on the part of the province. The province gave her respect, let her cover her face but there's a point where enough is enough.
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Tue Mar 2, 7:36 PM
By Jonathan Montpetit, The Canadian Press
MONTREAL - After months of balancing a woman's religious beliefs with her desire to learn French, the Quebec government stepped into her classroom to offer an ultimatum: take off the niqab or drop the course.
The woman opted to keep her Islamic face-covering and has filed a human-rights complaint against the government.
In a province where the government frequently faces accusations of doing too much to accommodate minorities, these actions have prompted a fair bit of praise.
The woman began taking a French course designed for immigrants at a Montreal college in February but she refused to remove her niqab while men were present.
The college was initially willing to accommodate her, but eventually balked as her demands escalated.
According to a report in a Montreal newspaper, she was allowed to give an oral with her back to the class and asked men to move so they wouldn't face each other.
The breaking point occurred when the woman again refused to take off the niqab, though teachers had stressed it was essential they see her face to correct her enunciation and facial expressions.
In what appears to be a highly unusual move, provincial Immigration Minister Yolande James intervened. Officials from her department, acting with the minister's knowledge, met with the woman to discuss her options.
"The government has specific pedagogical objectives in its French courses," said James's spokesman, Luc Fortin.
"We couldn't accept that these objectives, or the learning environment in the class, be compromised."
Several groups, including several teachers' unions, applauded the government for drawing a line in the sand. So did moderate Muslim groups.
"When people come to Canada we're not coming to the Islamic Republic of Canada," said Raheel Raza, a Muslim women's-rights activist who has argued for a public ban on religious face coverings.
"We are coming here because we want that freedom, we want the separation of church and state."
But one Muslim group disagreed.
The Canadian Muslim Forum, which claimed the woman was intimidated by other members of her class, said the move amounts to a misreading of the situation.
"In Quebec people have the right to wear what they want," said spokeswoman Kathy Malas.
"It's not a question of reasonable accommodation at all. She was complaining about how she was being treated by other males in the class."
The woman's name is being withheld for privacy reasons.
The question of whether to accommodate religious or ethnic minorities, and if so how much, has simmered beneath the surface of Quebec politics for several years.
When tensions erupted in 2007 over a series of highly publicized controversies, the government commissioned a $5-million study to quell the matter.
But in recent weeks the so-called reasonable-accommodation debate has vaulted back into the headlines, much to the dismay of those who helped prepare the commission's report.
Since its release in 2008, they note, the Liberal government has failed to implement most of its recommendations.
In fact, critics have accused the Charest government of altogether avoiding any discussion of awkward, identity-based issues.
"The government is paying the price for its passivity," said Jocelyn Maclure, a philosophy professor at the Universite de Laval who served as a consultant on the Bouchard-Taylor commission.
The commission's suggestions included creating a public body to provide training on accommodations, and better informing immigrant women about Quebec cultural norms.
But others warned of the danger of reading too much into what is essentially an isolated case.
"It's not like behind this woman there are 2,000 other niqab-wearing women who are about to make similar kinds of demands," said Daniel Weinstock, who, like Maclure, was a consultant to Bouchard-Taylor.
"These cases don't reflect the reality of what's going on out there. For every one case like this, which is problematic, there are a hundred that are dealt with in a very reasonable manner."
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Funny you mention that because France went after turbans and so did Quebec. Same issue with the kirpan.
I think in this case the province did accommodate her religious beliefs but there's a limit to how far you can stretch to accommodate one persons beliefs and I think the limit was reached in this case.
We did our BEST to NOT DISRESPECT her beliefs but when you ask your men classmate to turn around and shit. Go to hell! Canada is multicultural, not bend backwards and take it up the ass.
For once, GOOD JOB QUEBEC!
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"When people come to Canada we're not coming to the Islamic Republic of Canada," said Raheel Raza, a Muslim women's-rights activist who has argued for a public ban on religious face coverings.
They've got it right.
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haha, but knowing stupid Canadian courts, she is going to win her human-rights case and receive a boatload of money for her "suffering" and "discrimination".
About time someone put their foot down on this issue, though!
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Good job Quebec. When you come to Canada we do respect your religion and culture and what not but we shouldnt have to bow down to your every demand there has to be a line drawn and I hope the Human Rights Tribunal lets her know that.
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The school was great in understanding and complying with her needs it seems.. it was odd that they drew the line over a enunciation issue?? i dont see why they would need to see her face.. she just needs to see theirs...
there's obviously more to this... i think she may just have gotten on their nerves too much
I can't however understand why the government stepped into this?? that seems rather odd and out of place...
This story is rather odd indeed. I don't think this is so much a religious issue (its not a rule...) than a lady being a bitch and getting on the nerves of a bitchy teacher which = a mess
the govt. probably stepped in because of the potential touchy subject... and decided to make a point where they really should have just left for the school administration/school board to deal with
i should pretend to be a muslim girl, and when i go into write a test have someone who knows the course take it for me, theres no way they can prove it was someone else under the robe
^^^ you can do that with any university course... you think your prof knows who you are?
maybe if you went to a tiny college where classes are smaller than in highschool
Back in my university days, we had to show picture ID...
Btw how would picture ID work for a woman who wore a face covering, such as a driver's license?
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Honestly, seeing one's face in order to correct enunciation is totaly necessary. You have no idea how much it helps for me to see the shape my students are making with their mouths in order to help them in correcting pronunciation.
You may think it's no big deal, but it's kind of a shocker when my student say that they really hate hockey because they can't see the fuck (puck; koreans have problems with p/f) or that they couldn't stay at the bitch because they forgot the shit of paper they were going to sketch on.
Personally, I really like the opinion of the moderate muslim group. However, since I am a white male between the ages of 18 and 39 (nuts and gum, your favourites together at last!) if I said that in a public setting I would most likely be labelled as a racist and my opinion would be marginalized. So thanks to the moderates on this one!
So subjective, telling the males to not face her and stuff. What? does the males not have their own rights?
I agree with compromising and stuff, but there has to be a line. She is there to learn, i am sure there are other ways to help her enunciate but maybe the teacher felt that was the best way to do so. But at the same time, it could be easy for the teacher not to give a shit and let her fail in learning french. I guess the teacher somewhat cares or just tired of compromising with so many demands.
In the end, you enter into a court room and the judge asks you to take off your hat, if you don't then GTFO.
The issue is that often people see this as examples of latent racism or culturalism, where it simply is not the case. People are not deliberately preventing her from wearing her attire nor are they trying to change her views on male/female interpersonal relationships. Instead, there is a code of conduct when in certain social settings, such as a classroom, where you are expected to act and dress in a certain manner.
Like what maxxxboost mentioned, when in a social setting, like say a fancy dinner, it is expected to dress appropriately. You cannot simply go in with flip flops and a shirt and expect latency because it is part of your religion or culture.
In this case, the school had already made concessions for this individual and she is asking for them to go above and beyond, which even improach other people's rights in the process.
Lol, i love how muslim men can completely brainwash their women into believing that no can see their faces except their father & husband. I wish I have that kind of power.
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The school was great in understanding and complying with her needs it seems.. it was odd that they drew the line over a enunciation issue?? i dont see why they would need to see her face.. she just needs to see theirs...
there's obviously more to this... i think she may just have gotten on their nerves too much
I can't however understand why the government stepped into this?? that seems rather odd and out of place...
This story is rather odd indeed. I don't think this is so much a religious issue (its not a rule...) than a lady being a bitch and getting on the nerves of a bitchy teacher which = a mess
the govt. probably stepped in because of the potential touchy subject... and decided to make a point where they really should have just left for the school administration/school board to deal with
I agree.
This story is not clear enough.
I cant pass judgement on this yet.
Theres allot more going on than wearing or not wearing a niqab.
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