Cactus Club in place of Concession (english bay)

[Meowjin]

i hate NIMBY'ists.

[pintoBC_3sgte]

Originally Posted by nipples

Scratch that. Maria, yass, and ayane! All naked!!!!!!
Celica knows what I'm talking about! Hahaha
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Lol me? Haha so derrty Chandler .. But would make for better business
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[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by BeachLover

The Watermark at Kits Beach has ruined the quietness of that beach not just directly in front of the restaurant, but off to the sides too. Instead of being able to hear the sound of the waves and the wind, you hear the clanking of dishes and cutlery, and the bustle of a commercial operation. If we want to go to a large restaurant, there are plenty of options on Cornwall or Yew Street. A small scale concession, like they had, is suitable for that beach.

Unless you happen to live in a house directly behind the restaurant, there are many places at the beach where it is still quiet.

I don;t remember any public enquiry, forum, or town hall meeting to discuss these proposals. The day I heard about Cactus at English Bay was the day before it went to vote. Why are we consulted when a condo is proposed, or a change of use for other buildings, and not something major like this? It seems it was all done in secret. I am a resident near Kits Beach and I didn;t hear a work about Watermark until it was too late.

Why should there be a town-hall meeting when there are no residents on the beach? You basically just answered your own question.

If there were town-hall meetings for every decision to be made, nothing would ever get done because there will always be someone (or a small minority) who will oppose any decision. In cases like these, I'm glad the Parks Board is run by a bunch of "wise bureaucrats." Have a little faith in the decision-makers once in a while.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by tiger_handheld

how many of you would go to this cactus club on December 11? or Jan 23 or Feb 5 or Nov 18?

location will only bring in seasonal sales. 8/10 will not want to sit near a beach on day that's snowing....

Originally Posted by tacobell

You think the current restaurants on beach ave, davie street get no business during the cold season? lol. Heck, there's even a gelato place right on beach ave that is open year round and there's no shortage of ppl inside.

Have we all forgotten that until just recently there was a Cactus Club right there as well, right on the corner of Denman and Davie (across from the Gelato place)? You think cold weather slowed THEIR business??

Personally, I'm looking forward to a Cactus on the beach... especially since I get to put in their security cameras

[murd0c]

Another advantage of not having a concession stand is the garbage. Just think how careless people have been these days with all the garbage they leave behind. At least with the cactus club no garbage or not as much garbage will make it to the beach as with a concession stand.
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[nipples]

Fuck the food. Save the dried out burgers. Me don't want. Just gimme a milkshake made by Y&A lmao
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[pintoBC_3sgte]

Originally Posted by nipples

Fuck the food. Save the dried out burgers. Me don't want. Just gimme a milkshake made by Y&A lmao
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hahaha ur obsessed wit those 2 man

[nipples]

Haven't you heard yet? 70% of canadians don't get enough milk!!!! It's a public service they're doing. Can feed all the kids in africa!
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[BeachLover]

OK, lots of reasonable comments, and different perspectives draw different conclusions. First, the Wal-Mart comment was an exaggeration, but I see we have a casino-lover here (for the record, I'm also against a mega-casino at Georgia and Beatty.
If you ever spent 2 or 3 hours in front of Waternark at Kits Beach, you would know what I mean. Restaurant noise isn't intolerable, like a jackhammer, but it is noticeable and annoying at a place that used to be quiet. You can't lie on the beach on one side due to the volleyball courts, and to the other side, the beach ends. That beach is, in effect, now commercial.
Most parks are quiet. They don't have businesses on them. They have very low-key concession stands for a drink and a snack. I'm not against Cactus Club. I just don't want it, or Earl's, or Joey's, or Watermark, building a 4,000 sq ft two storey structure on a public beach. There as so many locations for those restaurants that they don't need one on the beach.
I don't live where all you people live, or relax the same way you do, so we can't know how each other is affected. But I am wondering; if you lived on a quiet block full of houses, would you want a Cactus Club right next door to you? I'm sure some will say yes, but if you notice, moat residential zones have no commercial activity, except corner grocery stores, etc.
The City of Vancouver zoning was set up to have quiet zones, residential areas, industrial areas, entertainment districts, parks, etc. I think this should be continued, and areas like Stanley Park, English Bay, Kits, Jericho, Spanish Banks, etc., be left as parks. Goodness knows, it's not hard to find an Earl's,Cactus Club, Milestones, etc on Robson, Broadway, Granville, Beach Avenue, etc., if you want to.
If you let the camel's nose under the tent, so to speak, we are liable to have all kinds of excuses to put commercial enterprises in our parks, for the sake of money.
Thanks for all your comments. If there was a vote or a public process for this development, and enough of you out-voted me, so be it. But the fact is, that didn't happen. This was done behind closed doors and I sense there is more to this approval than we know about.

[Graeme S]

I live in a quiet residential zone, and I wish it were different than what it is. The zoning here restricts businesses off the hill--for people who do not own cars in my area, you either have to walk almost a kilometre up a hill, or wait for 30 minutes for a small shuttle bus that brings you up to the top (only from the West, mind you--if you work/shop on the east you've gotta hike your ass all the way over to the other side).

There once was a corner store a block and a half away--but they charged too much and had no business and ended up selling their house to someone who didn't want a corner store. When the new owners cut out the commercial aspect of their land, it was rezoned to pure residential. No more corner store anywhere near where I live.

A cactus right next to where I live? Might be a bit impractical. A generic restaurant or coffee shop? Hell yes. I would not complain at all if one opened up, and would be quite happy to walk down the block to patronize it. My neighbor would consistently play thumping bass until 3AM when I was in highschool. Cops did nothing. A restaurant would closer earlier and be less disruptive. During the day, I wouldn't notice any real major change at all, since I have several italian neighbors who can get quite rowdy during world cup season and have great summer barbecues.

If I had a cactus open next to me, I probably wouldn't go. I don't particularly find the food appealing, although the waitresses are. If I were hungry late at night and too lazy to make anything (like I am now), I may reconsider my statement though.


As far as the "casino loving", I personally have no problem with casinos, but do wish that there wer an ID requirement, and that those losing over a certain amount be given a 30-day cool-off period--I'm all for business, but I'm not blind to society's plights. I do think that the government has been nannying things a bit much, and I'm quite frankly glad to see the municipal governments lightening up the strict and rigid zoning laws a wee bit.

[hotjoint]

I'm all for cactus club. I barely ever go downtown but Cactus club always has hot chicks working so something to look at