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03-23-2010, 04:00 AM
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| How Will Beijing React to the New and Uncensored Google.cn?
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By BILL POWELL / SHANGHAI Bill Powell / Shanghai – 50 mins ago
When Google finally ended the suspense, it did so by stating the obvious. "Figuring out how to make good on our promise to stop censoring search [in China]," wrote David Drummond, the company's chief legal officer on the company's blog last night, "has been hard." For more than two months, ever since its Jan. 12 announcement that it would soon stop censoring its search results in the country with the largest number of internet users in the world, the California giant was headed for a direct clash with the authorities in Beijing, who have been repeatedly unambiguous in their stance. Censorship is the law of the land in China, and Google had to abide by it or "suffer the consequences," as one official put it last week.
Google's decision is to route all of the traffic on its Chinese search engine, Google.cn, to its Hong Kong based site, Google.com.hk. The company has added simplified Chinese characters to the site (Hong Kong Chinese use traditional characters for reading and writing), and a color coded list of features (shopping, maps, music etc) which are still available, and all of which make it now look "a bit like an eye test," as Shen Liling, a young Shanghai netizen, says. (See pictures of China mourning the potential loss of Google.)
But the practical result was, for a few hours at least, search results were no longer censored. On Tuesday morning in China netizens could type in "Falun Gong," the banned religious cult, and what popped up was far different than what popped up just last night. (Among other things, the official Falun Gong website showed up in search results.) So after nearly four years of doing business in China, Google has lived up to its campaign promise. It is no longer censoring its search results for web surfers behind China's Great Firewall. But it took the Chinese government less than 24 hours to start censoring searches itself: Typing in "Falun Gong" from the mainland later in the day prompted only a "web page not available" response.
For a few hours, at least, the Hong Kong route was a relatively elegant solution to the dilemma in which the company found itself. Xinhua, a government-owned news service, quoted an unnamed official in Beijing's State Information Council calling the move, "totally wrong. [Google has] violated its written promise. We're uncompromisingly opposed to the politicization of commercial issues." (See pictures of life at the Googleplex.)
From Beijing's standpoint, at least, there's a lot of that going around at the moment. For the past two weeks China's been in a rhetorical firefight with the U.S. about the value of the renminbi versus the dollar. President Barack Obama called on Beijing to let the RMB more accurately reflect market fundamentals - most economists believe the RMB is undervalued relative to the dollar - because doing so would help boost U.S. exports to China. Premier Wen Jiabao said China had no intention of doing that anytime soon because so many of its exporters are barely profitable as it is. And in response to calls in the US Congress for tariffs on Chinese goods should RMB revaluation not occur, China's Minister of Commerce Chen Deming said bluntly told the Washington Post on Sunday that in the event of a trade war, the "American people and U.S. companies" would suffer more than China.
Just before Google moved its China site to Hong Kong - a switch that came in the dead of Monday night, China time - Beijing had given some indication that it understood the time was coming for some adult supervision, at least when it comes to the overall U.S.-China relationship. Wen met with a group of foreign businessmen in Beijing the same day. His tone, participants in the meeting say, was calm and relatively conciliatory. He told them China had no interest in "trade and currency wars," and pointed to a forthcoming meeting in Washington - the so-called bilateral Strategic and Economic Dialogue - as a moment both sides could use to bring it down a notch. "The dialogue in May will be very important," Wen said. "It's an opportunity to address the problems between the U.S. and China." As one participant said after the session, "There was no finger pointing or threats... He obviously understands very well the stakes involved, and that everyone needs to calm down a bit."
How calm Beijing will be when it comes to Google's latest move is still very much an open question. "We very much hope that the Chinese government respects our decision," Drummond said in his statement on Google's blog, "though we are well aware that it could at any time block access to our services." The odds are it will probably come to that; and even if for some reason the authorities allow Google.cn to operate via Hong Kong, e-commerce executives in China who advertised on the search engine appear glum. One noted that Drummond's own statement acknowledges that the complicated nature of the switch means a slowdown in service is possible, and "some products [might be] temporarily inaccessible as we switch everything over." That, this Chinese executive said, "is the best case scenario. The worst is that they are completely blocked in China at some point. So there's no good scenario here from our standpoint." (See pictures of the making of modern China.)
Nor, frankly, does there appear to be one for Google. Financial analysts all note that the revenue the company makes in China amounts to just 1 or 2% of its global revenue. So for now, from a strict bottom line standpoint, the China contretemps is immaterial. But they also note, as Bank of America/Merrill Lynch analyst Justin Post wrote, that in the longer term, the decision to effectively exit the market with the most internet users on the planet "doesn't seem to make a lot of business sense."
Last month, Google co-founder Sergey Brin told a technology conference in California that he still wanted "to work within the Chinese system and provide more and better information." At heart, he added, he's "an optimist." Moving his Chinese search engine to Hong Kong is Brin's shot at trying to live up to those words. In the same meeting, however, he acknowledged that "a lot of people think I'm naÏve." The Chinese government, it s safe to say, will now be the judge of that.
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They're just going to block google.com.hk
I saw some footage of people in China leaving flowers at Google's front door, thanking them for standing up for their rights. I thought that was pretty cool, and hopefully sparks a trend with the more truly educated people in that country.
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And according to the security of Tsinghua Science Park where the Google HQ is located, the act of leaving flowers at Google's front door is illegal without the authorization from the respective authority.
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Originally Posted by impactX  And according to the security of Tsinghua Science Park where the Google HQ is located, the act of leaving flowers at Google's front door is illegal without the authorization from the respective authority. | Man. You serious? Anyway. Interesting to see how a COMPANY is playing a role in a COUNTRY's politics.
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Originally Posted by impactX And according to the security of Tsinghua Science Park where the Google HQ is located, the act of leaving flowers at Google's front door is illegal without the authorization from the respective authority. |  China
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In addition, they are having China Mobile and China Unicom cancel their deals with Google, removing them from their start pages, and removing Android phones.
Someone said they are surprised to see companies taking part in politics.. Well to me, that is not shocking. Companies are just People. What is really revolting is when politics interfere with the companies, and control how they run.
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they prob gonna block alot of shit still
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whats going to happen to all the people that worked for/in google china?
i think they should be fearing for their lives and should flee the country right about... now.
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Google is gonna fucking run the world in 30 years
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^ LOL
How big is Google in India? I can see them attacking or positioning themselves in markets that are up and coming as well but not necessarily in the China realm of influence.
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Freedom isnt free. Props to Google for having a spine.
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo Man. You serious? Anyway. Interesting to see how a COMPANY is playing a role in a COUNTRY's politics. | dude, corporations, mega corporations... like those u see in distant futures, they'll be running everything.
corporations run the country, government tries to regulate it haha
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Toldjaso
What is really revolting is when politics interfere with the companies, and control how they run. | except politics ALWAYS interfere with how companies are run? lol @ you if you think this move by google is ANY different. it makes 0 business sense. what does google have to gain from it? you seem naive to think a force as large as google pulls a stunt like this merely to look righteous in the public eye. its far beyond that... dig deeper
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Baidu's stock went up 50% since google's announcement to pull out of China.
Damn.............................................. ............................
Google is just pulling the righteous card just like what US does to "rogue" countries. In the end, China doesn't give a shit about what google thinks or does.
It might seem like a good idea now, but in 2-3 years investors will realize what google did was one of the dumbest choices ever, most probably already think that way.
Why is an American Company interfering with China's politics? The US didn't even let arabs buy a PORT.
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the majority of chinese don't even care about being censored, well except for falun gong practioners and tibetan seperatists.
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Originally Posted by 6chr0nic4 except politics ALWAYS interfere with how companies are run? lol @ you if you think this move by google is ANY different. it makes 0 business sense. what does google have to gain from it? you seem naive to think a force as large as google pulls a stunt like this merely to look righteous in the public eye. its far beyond that... dig deeper |  | |
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Originally Posted by Gt-R R34 ^ LOL
How big is Google in India? I can see them attacking or positioning themselves in markets that are up and coming as well but not necessarily in the China realm of influence. | Google has 88% of the search engine share in India.
38% and 8% in Japan and Korea respectively.
Google had 36% in China. Now it's probably .36% with the blocking.
Baidu went up 5% yesterday, over $600 lol
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Originally Posted by 6chr0nic4 except politics ALWAYS interfere with how companies are run? lol @ you if you think this move by google is ANY different. it makes 0 business sense. what does google have to gain from it? you seem naive to think a force as large as google pulls a stunt like this merely to look righteous in the public eye. its far beyond that... dig deeper | actually GOOG wasnt even that profitable in China yet. it's still in a startup phrase in the Chinese market.
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp They're just going to block google.com.hk
I saw some footage of people in China leaving flowers at Google's front door, thanking them for standing up for their rights. I thought that was pretty cool, and hopefully sparks a trend with the more truly educated people in that country. | no matter how educated the general public is, china wont back down on it's laws. Its like no matter how many dope heads are in BC, the government wont legalize marijuana.
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Originally Posted by fetched In the end, China doesn't give a shit about what google thinks or does.
It might seem like a good idea now, but in 2-3 years investors will realize what google did was one of the dumbest choices ever, most probably already think that way. | Exactly, China was an opportunity for Google, not the other way around. Regardless, Googles got their roles mixed up. Oh well, they'll still take over the world, just not China
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google doesnt like how china gets to monitor and control their shit. so they were like yo don't do that you evil commies. and the evil commies were like fuck u we do what we want.
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China has already started blocking searches on google.com.hk
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul China has already started blocking searches on google.com.hk | u sure?
both falun gong and 64 still works.
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