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Questions & info about the Motor Vehicle Act. Mature discussion only.

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Old 03-30-2010, 09:34 PM   #1
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are black housing headlight legal

i got original headlights on my car but they are blacked out no orange reflector. Will they pass a VI?

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Will not pass VI, blacked out housing headlights with amber reflector removed are NOT OEM.
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What warrants the issue of VI for missing reflector? Does anyone know which section of the MVA for missing amber reflector?
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The blacked out housing is not illegal, as long as the headlight reflector and amber reflector remain intact. Unfortunately in your photo, the oem amber reflector has been replaced with something that is not equivalent, and therefore not legal.

There are various regulations regarding sidemarkers and reflectors, and what colours are allowed and what not, but essentially, the best plan of action is to keep the light stock or equivalent to stock - otherwise you risk a ticket or worse, a VI + ticket!!!

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What is something equivilant for those orange reflectors? Can I put sort of reflective sticker on my headlight or inside of it?
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The correct info is here..

General lighting requirements
4.02 (1) A vehicle on a highway must only be equipped with and use lamps, reflectors or other illuminating devices authorized by this Division or authorized in writing by the director.

(2) A vehicle on a highway must be equipped with lamps equivalent to those provided by the original manufacturer in accordance with the requirements that applied under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada), or a predecessor to that Act, at the time of vehicle manufacture.

(3) All lamps, lamp bulbs and reflectors required or permitted by this Division must comply with

(a) the approved standards established by the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the applicable SAE standards,

(b) the conditions of use described in this Division, and

(c) the requirements of Table 1 of the Schedule to this Division.

(4) The function of 2 or more lamps or reflectors may be combined if each function meets the following requirements:

(a) no turn signal lamp may be combined optically with a stop lamp unless the stop lamp is extinguished when the turn signal is flashing;

(b) a clearance lamp must not be combined optically with a tail-lamp or identification lamp.

(5) The director may exempt vehicles or classes of vehicles from the requirements of this section.

[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2; am. B.C. Reg. 135/2003, s. 1.]

Mounting of lamps and reflectors
4.03 (1) If 2 lamps of the same type are required or permitted on a vehicle, the lamps must be mounted at the same height unless otherwise specified in this Division.

(2) If 2 lamps of the same type are required or permitted on the side, front or rear of a vehicle, the lamps must, unless otherwise specified in this Division, be mounted with one lamp at or near the extreme left and one lamp at or near the extreme right of the vehicle, so as to indicate the approximate width of the vehicle.

[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2.]

General maintenance
4.04 (1) Lighting devices required by this Division must be maintained in good working order.

(2) Lamps and reflectors required by this Division

(a) must be securely mounted on the vehicle,

(b) must not have any cracked, broken, missing or incorrectly installed lenses, and a lamp must not have bent or broken rims that allow water to enter the lamp, and

(c) must not be shielded, covered or obscured by any part of the vehicle or load or by dirt or other material.

[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2.]


As you can see..tinting the required reflector is not legal, any replacement lights must be approved and , " lamps equivalent to those provided by the original manufacturer in accordance with the requirements that applied under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada), or a predecessor to that Act, at the time of vehicle manufacture. "
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^ Except reflectors are not lamps.
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^ Except reflectors are not lamps.
Uhh, read much? Here, I highlighted the parts for you.

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The correct info is here..

General lighting requirements
4.02 (1) A vehicle on a highway must only be equipped with and use lamps, reflectors or other illuminating devices authorized by this Division or authorized in writing by the director.

(2) A vehicle on a highway must be equipped with lamps equivalent to those provided by the original manufacturer in accordance with the requirements that applied under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada), or a predecessor to that Act, at the time of vehicle manufacture.

(3) All lamps, lamp bulbs and reflectors required or permitted by this Division must comply with

(a) the approved standards established by the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the applicable SAE standards,

(b) the conditions of use described in this Division, and

(c) the requirements of Table 1 of the Schedule to this Division.

(4) The function of 2 or more lamps or reflectors may be combined if each function meets the following requirements:

(a) no turn signal lamp may be combined optically with a stop lamp unless the stop lamp is extinguished when the turn signal is flashing;

(b) a clearance lamp must not be combined optically with a tail-lamp or identification lamp.

(5) The director may exempt vehicles or classes of vehicles from the requirements of this section.

[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2; am. B.C. Reg. 135/2003, s. 1.]

Mounting of lamps and reflectors
4.03 (1) If 2 lamps of the same type are required or permitted on a vehicle, the lamps must be mounted at the same height unless otherwise specified in this Division.

(2) If 2 lamps of the same type are required or permitted on the side, front or rear of a vehicle, the lamps must, unless otherwise specified in this Division, be mounted with one lamp at or near the extreme left and one lamp at or near the extreme right of the vehicle, so as to indicate the approximate width of the vehicle.

[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2.]

General maintenance
4.04 (1) Lighting devices required by this Division must be maintained in good working order.

(2) Lamps and reflectors required by this Division

(a) must be securely mounted on the vehicle,

(b) must not have any cracked, broken, missing or incorrectly installed lenses, and a lamp must not have bent or broken rims that allow water to enter the lamp, and

(c) must not be shielded, covered or obscured by any part of the vehicle or load or by dirt or other material.

[en. B.C. Reg. 476/98, s. 2.]


As you can see..tinting the required reflector is not legal, any replacement lights must be approved and , " lamps equivalent to those provided by the original manufacturer in accordance with the requirements that applied under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada), or a predecessor to that Act, at the time of vehicle manufacture. "
And most cars... but not all... have the reflector as part of the lamp housing. Maybe not your car, but the OP's as he said it didn't have the same reflectors as the stock one did.
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I was referring to this part of zulu's post:

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any replacement lights must be approved and , " lamps equivalent to those provided by the original manufacturer in accordance with the requirements that applied under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada), or a predecessor to that Act, at the time of vehicle manufacture. "
Zulu is writing about lights or lamps, but the issue is the headlight housing and different reflector.

The point of my post was to show that sometimes officers could incorrectly subject reflectors and sidemarkers to the same restrictions as lamps.

Additionally, if you read my first post, you'll see that I already mentioned that his reflectors don't comply with the MVA.

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Zulu is writing about lights or lamps, but the issue is the headlight housing and different reflector.
Yeah, and as I wrote in my post..

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the reflector as part of the lamp housing.
On most cars, the LAMP housing includes the reflector. If you replace the lamp housing with one that doesn't have the reflector in it... you broke the law that Zulu posted. This is not rocket science.
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^ exactly, the reflector is part of the "lamp" and the lamp must be equivalent to the approved OEM ones. by removing/painting over the reflector, your lamps are now not equivalent to the approved OEM ones and are now illegal.
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