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Old 04-14-2010, 09:24 AM   #26
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I think he needs to hit rock bottom with no resources to buy his drugs or supports his gambling addiction. When he has no other option then maybe he will rethink his actions but as long as he has a source of money then nothing will change.

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I think he needs to hit rock bottom with no resources to buy his drugs or supports his gambling addiction. When he has no other option then maybe he will rethink his actions but as long as he has a source of money then nothing will change.
As stated earlier, it's not possible for addicts, especially one on hard drugs. They'll just restort to crimes in desperation. ie. b&e, auto theft, muggings, etc.
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I think he needs to hit rock bottom with no resources to buy his drugs or supports his gambling addiction. When he has no other option then maybe he will rethink his actions but as long as he has a source of money then nothing will change.
This is the thing

some people never think the hit rock bottom until its already too late and they are dead

get him professional help as soon as possible
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Kick him out of the house I say.
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hey dude, it does sound like drugs.
most likely crack.
with meth, he'd be high for days at a time and have a really grumpy aggressive attitude.
it would be immediately obvious.

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yeah, we have kicked him out of the house but he's always back home in a couple days which hasn't made him learn his lesson. I agree that if his source of money was cut, he would just resort to crimes because at his previous jobs he had, he was stealing money from the company and using his co-workers just to get anything which could make matters worse
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i would send him to another country where access to those opiates arent so readily available

i would also recommend him try taking a few hits of DMT, that will reawaken his sensibilities

also snitch out the dealer he is calling
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I was actually wondering about that, I have a couple license plate numbers from the cars they drive. Would I be able to report it to the police by just giving up the license plate number? I want it to be anonymous though
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i don't really get it though, if he was spending that much on drugs a day. wouldn't he have looked like those crack/meth fiends on the streets already?
that is so not true. i use to work in a hotel on king george so ive dealt with alot of feinds. some of them u wouldn't think are into drugs until they are on it and abt to jump off the balcony and the RCMP are storming in the place when you realize u just rented to a crack head. most of the time if the guy looked like a crack head we wouldnt rent.

call the dealer number u have from the pay phone whoever answers ask for a gram if he asks who u r tell him ur buddy gave u his number cuz apparently he has good shit and hooks it up fat try n sound a bit of a pooky "so u gonna hook it up fat or wat?" "is it good shit" if he asks which buddy say ur bros name but u probably wont have too since ul already know hes a dealer. thats ur answer right there then stop the money flowing to him and get him some help like others said.
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Oh and I know this is an extreme, but if my bro was in this situation I'd consider doing it. Hand cuff him in his room for a week and force him to withdrawal. Watching intervention it seems like the first week is the most difficult. I'm not sure about crack or meth, but with heroin you have to give them this other drug (name slips my mind) to come off of heroin.
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Force him to take a drug test. If he refuses you know he's on drugs.

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is this type of drug addiction physical or psychological? Will he be physically harmed if u strip away the drug? If not, maybe just chain him to his room for a few weeks. Extreme circumstances require extreme measures.
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yeah, we have kicked him out of the house but he's always back home in a couple days which hasn't made him learn his lesson. I agree that if his source of money was cut, he would just resort to crimes because at his previous jobs he had, he was stealing money from the company and using his co-workers just to get anything which could make matters worse
He is in his 30's kick him out and change the locks. If he still comes around the house call the police and report him as a thief trying to break in. Until he quit
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He is in his 30's kick him out and change the locks. If he still comes around the house call the police and report him as a thief trying to break in. Until he quit
That is the OP's brother, why on earth would one do that to his/her own brother. OP is trying to help him, not fuck him over.
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yeah, I was looking through old pictures that we took as evidence just in case he were to bullshit and say he wasn't doing anything and yeah it is crack.

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Old 04-14-2010, 10:25 PM   #42
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As stated earlier, it's not possible for addicts, especially one on hard drugs. They'll just restort to crimes in desperation. ie. b&e, auto theft, muggings, etc.
if he resorts to crimes then he'll eventually get caught, arrested and end up in jail. Once he's in there, he'll learn and change or live like a dog. The choice is his.
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He is in his 30's kick him out and change the locks. If he still comes around the house call the police and report him as a thief trying to break in. Until he quit
i somewhat agree with happyslip. you need to threaten to call the cops if you ever catch him with drugs again. By threaten I don't mean saying it just to scare him. You have to be able to pick up the phone and dial 911. He needs to know that the one place he can go back to has zero tolerance of drugs. If it really comes down to a situation where you catch him with drugs i'm sure you'd prefer him to be in custody instead of snorting crack. And on top of that, I'm pretty sure the RCMP will assist with finding counseling for your brother if you explain to them your situation.
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looking at the pics thats crack for sure bro..
best thing to do is to tell him the truth and tell him you will regulate the his crack intake. get him off of it slowly. it take a group effort to do this. as long as he has a decent job he could live on this habit. I pretty much drink around $100 worth of alcohol on the weekends but i still stay responsible with my health and job.

another solution is to force take a vacation or leave the country for a couple months. cut off of it completely.he needs a drastic change in lifestyle. its really all up to him. force him to go see the doctor to prescribe an anti-crack drug. theres lots out there.

I know alot of people who have a crack habit and live normal good honest lifestyle. we all have our vices.

i give you props for looking out for your bro man. 99% percent of people out there will just ignore these signs
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I know alot of people who have a crack habit and live normal good honest lifestyle. we all have our vices.
are you serious? u know alot of people who smoke or shoot crack and live a honest lifestyle. You sure it's crack their using or do u have it mixed up with marijuana
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OP, I speak on behalf of the well being of your family and yourself but I highly recommend you consider searching for professional help. We can only give you so much in terms of advice and the problem your brother is facing doesn't seem like this can be fixed by just the family's concern and "lets sit down and talk." From the info you told us here, it seems like he could be suffering from depression too. He has no motivation to fix himself and doesn't seem to care/or even know he is hurting his family emotionally.

There are many helplines out there and I hope everything works out for the best.
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are you serious? u know alot of people who smoke or shoot crack and live a honest lifestyle. You sure it's crack their using or do u have it mixed up with marijuana
i don't want to get into the details of what i used to do. lets say i was a full time pharmacist for high end clients. The people you least expect to have a habit are the ones who spend the most money on this shit. i'm still friends with a couple. They can be anybody from doctors, lawyers, politicians, accountants, constuction managers, actors, etc..from white collar to blue collar..people will always need their "escape" from the real world. just like the saying " work hard , party hard".

ironically my job now is in the mental health sector so i see first hand of what its like for these people..if you only new what king of drugs some doctors prescribe to some patients. It makes crack look like tylenol for kids.
regardless of who you are...drugs are addictive..you only have to try it once to find that out..there can be many reasons..it can be traced by genetics or be some kind of mental illness etc. everybody's body react differently to different drugs.

I'm not saying its the right thing to do but as long as you keep it in moderation and not let it affect your work, family and friends , youll be alright.

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I think your brother is hooked on crack & or meth. That is an uneducated guess though, I have no first hand experience with that type of stuff, but I have a few friends that have tried everything, heard a lot of stories.

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i would send him to another country where access to those opiates arent so readily available

i would also recommend him try taking a few hits of DMT, that will reawaken his sensibilities

also snitch out the dealer he is calling
Yeah, as much as Liu13 sounds like an idiot, he's right (about everything, except snitching out the dealer, don't do that). I had a few friends that were in trouble, they all got shipped off to asia for a few years, to "go to school" and "start a new life". They're all back and lead normal lives now. Of course if he really wanted to he could find the drugs in asia but it would cost a lot more, the stuff he will find will not be as pure and if he gets caught 3x he's forced to go to rehab for sure (china really only punishes distributors).

The thing about DMT, yeah as dumb as that sounds, using a drug to make him quit drugs. But yeah, DMT can do that. It can totally change your brothers life in the matter of 5 to 10 minutes. I've read a few reports of people completely dropping their addiction to hard drugs after one DMT trip. DMT can change your life, dramatically. It's NOT something to be fucked with. Probably the most powerful drug in the world. And i don't mean one of those escapist drugs.

I was in a down-spiral depression, "addicted" to some drugs, bad break up, did I mention super depressed? Jobless. Life going no where. I considered suicide a few times. I got diagnosed as clinically depressed. Then I tried DMT. I won't bother explaining the trip, because most of you won't care or cannot comprehend it, and aren't willing to. But yeah, over the next few weeks prior my DMT trip, I got a job, I stopped taking uppers, and I set my life straight. That being said, DMT is not for everyone. It can scar you psychologically you if you aren't prepared.

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Yea, and I know a lot of people who smoke or shoot crack and live a very dishonest life. It depends on the person and their personality type. Just because one person can handle smoking crack once in a while, doesn't mean another person wont submit to it's seductiveness and get addicted.

I would most definitely confront your brother about it, and get help. As for what methods, I don't know. I only mentioned the ones that I know that work. I've yet to meet anyone who's gone through rehab for drugs, so I don't really know how effective that is.
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are you serious? u know alot of people who smoke or shoot crack and live a honest lifestyle. You sure it's crack their using or do u have it mixed up with marijuana
yup -

I know some IBankers, Traders, lawyers all sorts of high paying, high prices professionals that do cocaine and such and live an honest lifestyle.

It really is a rec drug for some, while it's harmful for their body, they function fine in society, albeit not a good example. (maybe they have: 1 the money to cover up the addiction or 2 the addiction hasn't over run their lives yet, but i'm talking bout now.)

Either way, if OP's brother has an addiction of this heavy nature maybe a professional here(on RS if got one.) or helplines that someone can give out be a better help for the OP?

It's family, it's hard to kick someone out. But my own personal feeling is, you can only do so much that it doesn't ruin your life as well.

Do what you can, do as much as you can but don't over do it.
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wow, i don't want to comment on anything because I am not a professional. i'm just shocked at the retarded responses. For those of you who are not parents or have never dealt with a drug addict, you have no idea what you're talking about.

the brother is fucken 30, not 16, you cant' kick your child out of the house. Even if you do, as a parent, you just don't have the mindset to not let your child back into the house when they are begging. You can't just call the cops cause they don't fucken care about shit like this.

I agree with miss crayon, get professional help, see what the correct steps in confronting him and go on from there. good luck
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