Top Gear: McLaren F1 vs Bugatti Veyron
 

interesting read...they tried 10 times to see if Veyron could win
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Gener...faked-20100412

McLaren > Veyron......any day

"When we did the race in Abu Dhabi, we beat it off the line so many times that the film crew was getting frustrated because the outcome was supposed to be for the Bugatti to win."

"So we had to do that whole thing about ten times before it managed to get off the line cleanly and catch us up. Because every time they dropped the clutch it bogged down and we were gone."

WTF? Screw Top Gear, if that's the case. If the F1 is faster, then that needs to be portrayed. Perhaps Bugatti paid them off or something.

I don't know why people compare the two. They're built for different things. One is a light, nimble, balls out sports car and the other is a luxury cruiser that just happens to be able to go 252mph.

They're compared because both are considered the pinnacle of Supercar engineering for its time. Not to mention they both hold the title Fastest Production car for their respective time periods.

The design philosophy is different, but the end goals were the same.

I kinda think McLaren is a little but-hurt after getting dethroned; seems kind of like poor looser to me, no?


Anyways, they're both highly respectable vehicles, and I'm sure they're both great at what they were designed to do.

I don't think that McLaren designers or anyone for that matter is disputing the fact the Veyron is faster. However, I would be butt-hurt too if two professional drivers pilot the cars, mine happens to win 9/10 times, and they only show the one where the other driver wins. On top of that, the program doesn't mention the nine other times. So sure, the Veyron is "faster", but consistency is not one of its high points.

We all know Top Gear is a Bias show and we love it for that. ;)

agreed

Top Gear is British however, I am very surprised that they chose to be biased towards an Italian made car as opposed to the British McLaren. (and yes I know about Bugatti Audi, and Mclaren BMW engine...etc... for all the RS nitpickers)

And yes, the only thing that binds these two cars together is their top speed.... everything else is worlds apart in terms of automotive engineering.

I know top speed is a big deal, but I still don't get the push to have these in the same category, it doesn't make sense to any true automotive enthusiast.

Some numbers:

McLaren F1 -
0-30 mph (48 km/h): 1.8 s[3]
0–60 mph (97 km/h): 3.2 s[3]
0–100 mph (160 km/h): 6.3 s[3]
0–124.28 mph (200.01 km/h): 9.4 s[26]
0–150 mph (240 km/h): 12.8 s[3]
0–200 mph (320 km/h): 28 s[3]

Bugatti Veyron
0–100 km/h (0.0–62.1 mph) 2.5 seconds
0–160 km/h (0.0–99.4 mph) 5.5 seconds
0–240 km/h (0.0–149.1 mph) 9.8 seconds
0–300 km/h (0.0–186.4 mph) 16.7 seconds
0–400 km/h (0.0–248.5 mph) 50 seconds

From everything I've read, the Bugatti is quicker at the top range of speed than the F1, so it's not surprising it started pulling away in the TG video near the end of the 1 mile drag.

This is the recorded F1 1 mile drag:
0-1000 m: 19.6 s at 177 mph (285 km/h)

At 19 seconds, the Bugatti should be doing around 200 mph. Theoretically this means the TG video is correct. I know there's

the bugatti is just a rednecks dream car....straight and fast..

why else do you think thaty USED the 1mile track, so it can catch the McLaren...

if its on the quarter mile.. NO contest..

LOL.. are you should be more consistent with the units. You brain fucked me for 1.5 sec.

Has everyone missed this quote?

So we had to do that whole thing about ten times before it managed to get off the line cleanly and catch us up. Because every time they dropped the clutch it bogged down and we were gone.

How can you drop the clutch on a car with no clutch pedal (Bugatti has DSG)? And how can a car with launch control get bogged down? Or are they saying the launch control on the Veyron fails 9 out of 10 times, and if so, why haven't we heard about this before? Do people who pay this kind of money for a car put up with a car that only launches good 1 in 10 tries?

If there's one thing the Veyron is known for (good or bad) is that any Joe Schmuck can get in, press a couple buttons, step on the gas and run consistent blistering 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. How many countless reviews have their been of the Veyron where they have shown this to be true?

And now we have a car that for some reason can't launch?

Something really doesn't add up in that statement about "bogging down".

Did anyone noticed this? But OMFG Timpo is back!

Honest question: Can the traction/launch control be turned off?

OMGWTFBBQ!!1!~~

When did this happen?

He's back for real???

now when is chopsticks coming back?

I will take F1 over the Veyron anytime

My understanding is launch control is off and has to be specifically enabled. There are lots of Veyron launch videos around and they all look a lot faster than the Top Gear race. The engine RPM's are also clearly different from the Top Gear race. I'm betting they they didn't use launch control.

Maybe the quote was referring to the F1 not getting a good start and they had to give it 10 tries to not be totally embarassed by the Veyron. Oh, and turn off launch control.

Completely lame video.

F1 would've gotten killed if they used launch control.

I call bullshit. F1 is obviously a better overall car (probably the best ever), but the Veyron is faster in every single test I've ever seen, including off the line. Not really shocking, it has the highest power to weight ratio of any street car.

Gotcha, thanks.

Either way, there's a lot more important shit than drag times. Anyone paying that much for a car should be able to excel at things on top of just going in a straight line :haha:

I beg to differ...

Bugatti Veyron
4500 lbs
1001 hp
4.49lb/hp
http://cultureshoq.com/wp-content/up...tti_veyron.jpg

Caparo T1
1482 lbs
575 hp
2.57lb/hp
http://www.carkeys.co.uk/images/cm_i...ro/gcpt106.jpg

Lets rephrase that... The Bugatti has the highest power to weight ratio of any car that hasnt tried to injure or kill almost everyone that has attempted to test the car.

well the Caparo T1 isn't the only one...I just did some reserch and I came up with several

Saleen S7 TwinTurbo

2950 lbs
750 hp
3.93 lbs/hp

http://www.bangalorebeats.com/images/saleen-s7.jpeg

Lotec Sirius

2822 lbs
1334 hp
2.11 lbs/hp

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/u...tec_sirius.jpg

SSC Ultimate Aero

2750 lbs
1287 hp
2.13 lbs/hp

http://tagorock.up.seesaa.net/image/...mate-Aero2.jpg

Aerial Atom

1102 lbs
500 hp
2.20 lbs/hp

http://www.edmunds.com/media/il/feat...om.f34.500.jpg

Koenigsegg CCXR

2601 lbs
1018 hp
2.55 hp/lb

http://www.lmpcars.com/image/Koenigs..._07--thumb.jpg

Zenvo ST1

3034 lbs
1104 hp
2.74 lb/hp

http://blog.mybarachois.com/b1/wp-co.../zenvo-st1.jpg

Nissan R390 GT1

2420 lbs
550 hp
4.40 lbs/hp

http://www.fastestlaps.com/photos/Ni...2f505c6961.jpg

Ferrari FXX

2546 lbs
860 hp
2.96 lbs/hp

http://file.photoshocks.blog.shinobi...i_fxx_edo_.jpg

Porsche Dauer 962

2271 lbs
730 hp
3.11 lbs/hp

http://img.autofan.com.cn/2007-09-04...cdc808c58d.JPG

McLaren F1

2513 lbs
627 hp
4.00 lbs/hp

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3166/...7283bf5ea4.jpg

Toyota GT-ONE Road Car

1984 lbs
660 hp
3.30 lbs/hp

http://www.totalmotorsport.com/Featu...oad%20car2.jpg

Caterham Seven RST-V8
1146 lbs
500 hp
2.29 lbs/hp

http://static.autoweb.cz/photo/thumb/38575_620x0x85.jpg

Porsche Schuppan 962CR

2315 lbs
600 hp
3.85 lb/hp

http://www.goldengod.ru/wp-content/u...uppan962cr.jpg