Reminds me of the last Seinfeld episode where Jerry, Elaine, George and Kramer see that fat guy getting carjacked at gun point and they record it and point and laugh at him and end up in jail because of the duty to rescue law.

it's not about the material objects.
it's about morality. yours and theirs

-silence is betrayal-martin luther king

yea i find that people just stand and watch if something does go down... its pretty sad

^ free movie.

is your morality > your life?
if so, you are a stronger man than I will ever be. And I commend you for that.

your an idiot, what your saying is that you would only help somone for a reward.

what your saying is if you saw a kid being mandhandled into a shady van u would walk away and not call the police.

cuz u know no reward and all why the bother?

that man had no idea he was going to die. we rarely do.
from your aspect, it's not worth it to help; from mine, it wouldn't be worth it not to.
i suppose what i'm saying is that yes, we should hold our morals in a higher regard than our fears

Where have all the civilian sheepdogs gone?

ughhhh ok dude

u better wish u never get old one day

^ lol..can't believe people are so ignorant these days eh?

reality is that people are either too interested to "see what's going to happen" or they have the mentality of "better them than me".

In vancouver, there are two main problems.

1. People are too self centered
2. The fucking transit police show up 20 - 30 minutes after being called, waddle over with a pissed off look on their face because they had to actually do something... ask you what happened, THEN call the real police who take another 20-30 minutes to arrive.

I'm not from Vancouver, I grew up in a place where people were much friendlier and it was a shock to me how cold people here are.

A few months back a big drunk construction worker was harassing a young girl sitting beside me on the skytrain. He was an inch from her face saying smut to her and telling her to go home with him. She said "Please leave me alone I'm uncomfortable" loudly enough that everyone could hear. By her expression she really wanted someone to help her. The cart had about 15-20 people in it, old, young, and even some tough looking guys. NO ONE did anything! I stepped in and the guy tried to fight me. He ended up taking off when we reached the next skytrain station.

I am by no means intimidating, I'm 5'3 and 120lbs. If I can stand up to a guy that's a hundred pounds heavier than me, so can other people. You don't need to personally know someone to care about their safety.

Some people will say "What about MY safety, if I help out than I'm in danger." Well, that may be the case but if your ass was the one that was in need of help I'm sure you'd have wanted someone there. If you don't help out personally then do something else: call the cops, push the yellow emergency strip on the skytrain. Just don't fucking stand there gawking and updating your twitter/facebook status.

It's called diffusion of responsibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusi...responsibility

If it was only one person or a few people who witnessed it happening, there is a far greater likelihood that they would have taken action.

But since there were dozens of people that saw it, nobody wants to take charge, and everyone expects or wants someone else to do something about it, but in the end nobody does.

wut...i just don't get that heroic sense of justice for helping others like that. that could be your reward, sure but not mine. that particular risk to me is worth a lifetime. someone better feed me for a lifetime to take on that risk. that's all im implying. I'm not saying I wouldn't help the guy..it's just that that sense of justice doesn't benefit me like it would to others.

ok? relax cuz the old guy is still alive.

I would have helped...but its Kind of difficult when the government of canada makes it almost impossible for Canadians to own handguns legally

I have no problem with stopping someone if odds are in my favor. me vs 2 guys that could potentially be armed, probably I'll take a picture, give a statement and go to court if I have to, but I'd rather have the law on my side to bring out the ol .45 and tell them to make my day.

This is why most Canadians can't get a carry/conceal permit. This sort of attitude right here.

Yes, because having a gun cures all the world's problems.

Because of my attitude? I don't ever plan on shooting someone. I'd gladly pull it on some guys kicking the crap out of some old dude if odds were against me.

I am capable of defending myself against knives and such, but two guys with knives, or guns is a different story.

Criminals will always have guns, I don't see why the public cant have them. If you are afraid of them, then don't have one, or take the proper courses on how to use them so you learn how to make it 'automatic' in you training. Anyone who is RCMP or Military knows what I'm talking about.

I like hearing the stories every year of some old granny that blew away some street thug because they under-estimated them. If everyone on the skytrain was packing a gun, criminals would maybe think twice about robbing someone.

Society is as good as you guys.

You're an idiot, so if every iron-hearted citizen were to carry a gun, and some thiefs break into your house and steals that gun, then what? thats one extra gun on the streets

Its a tough situation. I'm sure no one would want to go in alone to try and stop the muggers. What I would do is try and get at least 3-4 other guys on the subway to team up and beat the shit out of the muggers. Yah 4-5 guys vs 2 isnt fair, but neither is 2 muggers against a 79 year old, just a taste of their own medicine.

its better not to help because you know never if someone will press charge on your ass even you were the victim or hero. Only in Vancouver, buddy !!

:werd:

Because firing a gun on a loaded skytrain would be a good idea.

Totally. You know it would bounce around the car in this sequence:

Ping off a wall
Ping off the roof
Explode a wine glass someone is holding
Ping off a handrail
Go right through someones top hat / afro / novelty beer drinking hardhat
Ping off the floor
Ping off a cuckoo clock, causing the bird to come out
Ping off a wall again
Kill a baby

Your employer is going to penalize you for helping someone out? Any reasonable boss would understand.

I've taken first aid courses in the past and from what I've been told, the Good Samaritan Act will protect you if you cannot save someone's life or prevent injuries. Unless you are grossly negligent, there's little chance that the victim will sue you.

You can't break it down into a simple cost-benefit analysis. It's not necessarily about being a "hero" either; it's about doing what's right.

And how often does this happen? That a mugger turns around and stabs someone else to death?

If we keep turning our heads to things like this, it's bound to happen more. I won't be surprised if thugs start thinking "Oh shit, no matter how busy the street is, we can just mug people coz no one will care anyways."

And one day, you're gonna get so lucky that you're going to be the one who gets robbed with a gun/knife. Don't cry when you start calling for help and no one tried to help you.

I never thought I'd say this but, I have more respect for the bum who died than the people who automatically think about the cost and the risk.

You don't need a reason to save someone in trouble, you just do. But you don't have to be stupid about it.