REVscene Automotive Forum

REVscene Automotive Forum (https://www.revscene.net/forums/)
-   Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events (https://www.revscene.net/forums/vancouver-off-topic-current-events_50/)
-   -   Former Canadian Dfence Minister is Confused by Stephen Hawking (https://www.revscene.net/forums/613522-former-canadian-dfence-minister-confused-stephen-hawking.html)

EmperorIS 05-02-2010 08:47 AM

Former Canadian Dfence Minister is Confused by Stephen Hawking
 
http://www.news1130.com/news/nationa...t-canadian-fan

O CANADA OUR HOME AND NATIVE LAND
awesome how someone like him took a position of that importance in Canada

penner2k 05-02-2010 11:27 AM

What I dont get is why everyone assumes that if there are aliens they are more advanced then us. How do we know that they arent still in the caveman stage on whatever planet they are on.

Retrac 05-02-2010 11:29 AM

I don't think cavemen have mastered intergalatic travel.
Posted via RS Mobile

penner2k 05-02-2010 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2DoPeD (Post 6934509)
I don't think cavemen have mastered intergalatic travel.
Posted via RS Mobile

Thats what I'm saying. Maybe there are aliens but they are stuck on some planet that is a 10,000,000,000,000,000 light years away trying to figure out how to create fire.

keifun 05-02-2010 11:43 AM

i agree. other planets out there with life may not even have evolved to have "humanoid" intelligent organisms yet.. For all I know, the planets out there could just be inhabited by microbes.

Retrac 05-02-2010 11:54 AM

Yes that's true, regarding the microbes or lower life forms. But when we are assuming advanced life forms that have mastered space travel when we think about possible encounters. I don't think anyone will equate an alien encounter with lower life forms because we can't travel through space effciently enough to meet these less advanced life forms. So it's easy to see that our highest probability of seeing an alien is through them meeting us.
Posted via RS Mobile

unit 05-02-2010 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penner2k (Post 6934524)
Thats what I'm saying. Maybe there are aliens but they are stuck on some planet that is a 10,000,000,000,000,000 light years away trying to figure out how to create fire.

considering the size of our universe, there probably are aliens that are at that stage. however, its ignorant to assume we are the most advanced out of all the potential species out there. theres bound to be tons of species that are way beyond us in evolution.

dizzystar 05-02-2010 12:08 PM

how many hundreds of billions of planets or stars are there?

im sure there is at least ONE or TWO species that HAS mastered intergalactic travel, took one look at us, saw Richmond and/or Paris Hilton, and decided to stay the fuck away from Earth.

it's possible

dub.g 05-02-2010 12:14 PM



part 1, watch all parts

m4k4v4li 05-02-2010 03:36 PM

any life form that has the capability of space travel will have almost no intention/reason to make contact with humans.

trip 05-02-2010 03:50 PM

would any intelligent life form want to give us technology/space travel given that they have observed us for a period of time and see that we:

rape and pillage our own kind
mass murder and wars over nothing
still have numerous people dying/starving and in poverty while there are fatcats shitting money out every second


would they really want such filth spreading across the universe?
honestly, we're a plague and until we as a species are able to change the way we think and can live a life of servitude to others instead of to self. no intelligent benevolent species will want us to gain access to the rest of the universe

Tegra_Devil 05-02-2010 04:12 PM

human race is a virus....an intellectual culture would realize this and either kill us...or let us kill each other off.....or if they were compassionate they would try to change our ways

and also, we are not the most advanced race in the universe...im sure there are thousands of races out there, much more advanced than us....millions that are at the same stage as us...and trillions that less advanced

rsx 05-02-2010 05:26 PM

If you think about the biodiversity on Earth alone, then imagine what's out there!

TheKingdom2000 05-02-2010 05:52 PM

^ do you think other species if they do exist aren't or weren't like us at one point?

EmperorIS 05-02-2010 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penner2k (Post 6934508)
What I dont get is why everyone assumes that if there are aliens they are more advanced then us. How do we know that they arent still in the caveman stage on whatever planet they are on.

stephen hawking is cocern about the aliens that could earth. if the aliens could get here.. then obviouisly they are more advance then us
and why else would they come .. becuz they want to conquer our resources

bengy 05-02-2010 07:47 PM

LOL dude thinks microchips and fiberoptics come from crashed UFOs! :haha:

Graeme S 05-02-2010 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmperorIS (Post 6935014)
stephen hawking is cocern about the aliens that could earth. if the aliens could get here.. then obviouisly they are more advance then us
and why else would they come .. becuz they want to conquer our resources

I said it before and I'll say it again...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graeme S (Post 6924732)
If any of you are interested in the concept of "Space Scavengers" that is postulated in the original post, I would recommend you read a book called "Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It's an older book so some of the politics and technologies are a bit out of date, but the points made in the book are really interesting--for the most part, the conquest of a planet in order to gain resources is highly inefficient.

Want fuel? Scoop-dive a gas giant (hydrogen is the lightest so it should be near the top). Want water? Find an ice asteroid and cut it loose to harvest it--no need to waste fuel pulling it up from Gravity. Metals? Find some asteroids or a low-gee moon to stripmine.

Those who think that the conquest of a planet in order to gain its resources is the most efficient and possible truth...I highly doubt it. Why even bother with an inhabited planet that has technology? It's much more likely they'd come and just strip our system bare, and just leave us alone. Or just nuke the whole planet and be done with us.


woob 05-02-2010 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmperorIS (Post 6934387)
awesome how someone like him took a position of that importance in Canada

the guy is 86.... I think he's senile by now. I doubt he was this "out there" during his term as defence minister.

Noir 05-02-2010 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-fever (Post 6934529)
i agree. other planets out there with life may not even have evolved to have "humanoid" intelligent organisms yet.. For all I know, the planets out there could just be inhabited by microbes.

This is why I hate Star Trek. Not all evolution follows the humanoid form. Extra terrestrial entities could take a complete other shape and/or form.

There could be a huge disparity in size too. In the grand scheme of things, Earth is already a small planet within our local Solar System. Imagine if a huge body of planet were to spawn and sustain life and produce beings relative to its size.

Universe = infinite possibilities.

goo3 05-03-2010 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6chr0nic4 (Post 6934749)
any life form that has the capability of space travel will have almost no intention/reason to make contact with humans.

Not when we have energon.

SkinnyPupp 05-03-2010 05:35 AM

Think about it from the other perspective. Imagine if interstellar travel was possible for us tomorrow. The first thing we would do is to try to find other intelligent life. No matter if they are far advanced, or way behind us.

So with infinite possibilities, I'm sure another space-faring life form will have the same goals. So of course they are going to contact us if they find us. Otherwise, what would be the point?

You can even look at it on a macro level. Right here on earth we study every living thing to the greatest possible detail. So if we were traveling through space easily, we would be doing the exact same thing. Saying that a life form more advanced than us would simply ignore us because we are not advanced is like saying we should stop studying primates just because they aren't as advanced.

EmperorIS 05-03-2010 06:42 AM

Probably the aliens won't even see us a a lifeform. Maybe to them we are just a rust on a door knob. i think to assume that aliens are travelling through space to find lifeform, is assuming they have the same curiousity as us earthlings do.


btw, i just wanted to make fun of that minister of defense .. didn't think this thread would get all trekky

BaoXu 05-03-2010 08:42 AM

if human's can't get along with each other, what makes you think we will get along with aliens?

SkinnyPupp 05-03-2010 08:48 AM

Well in theory, existence of aliens = no more religion. So with religion abolished, I'm sure humans will get along a lot better.

Or maybe we'll all have no other choice, because we'll be fighting the alien invaders together ;)

Mancini 05-03-2010 12:23 PM

But what if the other "aliens" are living on earth in a parallel universe and are similarly advanced? And while they might discover a gateway to our universe, who's to say that they have comparable military advancement? Stephen's thinking too small on this one.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:40 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Revscene.net cannot be held accountable for the actions of its members nor does the opinions of the members represent that of Revscene.net