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Old 05-07-2010, 10:41 AM   #1
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http://jalopnik.com/5533462/dealersh...for-used-mazda

I hope whoever is involved in this gets fucked over bad cuz this is just messed up.

Reading some of the comments of other stories makes me even more pissed off.

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Yes, it was Huling Brothers in West Seattle, where I worked a few years before the incident.

(This is all from memory, so some details may be off.)

They sold a mentally disabled man a base Chevy Colorado for over $30k. He paid in cash, which apparently caught the dealer's attention even further. Unfortunately, he told them he had more cash in his home.

A group of salesmen (6, I believe) figured out when he wasn't home and took turns in pairs combing his house for approximately $70k in cash, which they found and stole.

To add to the matters, the man was shortly thereafter admitted to a psych ward in Seattle, and another salesman met the man at the psych ward and tricked him into signing off his ownership on the new truck.

In the midst of all this, the dealership was also sold to new ownership, apparently without disclosure of the pending legal/ethical issues. Once the news hit the media, everyone stopped buying cars there, and the new owners had to close the doors in less than a year.

The new owners sued the Huling family over the lack of disclosure, but I honestly don't know the outcome of that lawsuit, if one has even been reached yet.
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I work at a dealership in Vancouver but that is just unheard of!!!
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Mental fitness isnt a requirement to drive...?

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The quoted story is rough but the linked story about the Mazda dealership isn't that bad. A lot of people don't understand how car dealerships/loans work. The negative equity on the trade in probably created the majority of the add on, 15G neg equity(not uncommon), 5G warranty/life ins and 5G undercoating/etching. As for the women being mentally disabled, it is possible the dealership wasn't aware of the degree of her disability, or aware at all.

The one thing which may get the dealership in trouble is how they got her financed. for that size of loan, there is no way, even with a 850 beacon that she would get approved while receiving $1900 a month on disability. They likely fudged the numbers and greatly exaggerated her monthly income which is certainly unethical.
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i don't think the salesmen were to worried about that...
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http://www.thestar.com/business/arti...th-41-000?bn=1

Salesmen at Orangeville dealer proclaim innocence on charges of ‘making unconscionable representation’

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The Mazda dealership in Orangeville may have given new meaning to the automaker’s slogan of “zoom, zoom, zoom” for motorist Madeline Leonard.

Leonard walked into the dealership wanting to replace the tires on her 2004 car.

By the time she left she was on the hook for a spiffy, black 2010 Mazda6 sedan at the eye-popping price of almost $66,000, after taxes and the value of her trade-in vehicle.

That’s $25,000 more than she should have paid, according to Ontario’s auto regulator.

She says “Moe,” the salesman, talked fast. The numbers whizzed by and before she knew it she had bought the 2010 model.

“I was overwhelmed and confused and I soon felt like I had been mistreated,” the 56-year-old woman said in an interview from her small, subsidized apartment in the town 85 km northwest of Toronto.

The Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council, which regulates new and used car dealers, took action after she complained. Its investigation found she should have paid about $41,000 for the vehicle — which wasn’t even new.

“In my eight years here, I haven’t seen a case like this,” said Carey Smith, the regulator’s director of investigations. “The deal was way over the top regarding pricing.”

Smith has charged Mazda of Orangeville and two senior employees with breaching Ontario legislation that protects consumers. The dealership could face a fine of up to $250,000 if found guilty.

Kien Trung, business manager at Mazda of Orangeville and one of the employees facing charges, said he did not treat Leonard improperly or make any big profits in the deal in late December.

“We didn’t do anything wrong in the case of this transaction,” said Trung. “We made a little bit of money on the deal. I guess she was not happy with it.”

In promotional messages, the dealership says it treats customers “with dignity and respect.”

But Smith said in Leonard’s case, the store and two employees used several tactics to unfairly jack up the price.

“They put a list price of a new vehicle on the model but it was a demonstrator that the dealer used with about 6,000 kilometres on it,” he noted.

Mazda Canada lists the base price of the new sedan at $39,969 on its national website, but the dealership allegedly posted a sticker of $45,846 on the car.

Smith said the salesmen also billed Leonard, who is intellectually disabled, about $4,500 for a “protection package” that included fabric guarding, rust and sound proofing and window etching. Other dealers charge about a third of that for the same items, he said.

Furthermore, Smith said Leonard, who is unemployed, should not have qualified for a loan from the dealer because her monthly income including a disability pension is less than $2,000.

But Smith added that didn’t stop the two employees from offering an eight-year loan that will result in about $16,000 in financing costs for her, including a final balloon payment of $7,000.

Mazda of Orangeville says in a promotional message for phone callers that owning “your dream vehicle might be easier than you think.” The message goes on: “If you are a great person with not-so-good credit, we have you in mind.”

Leonard said she originally came to the store to replace the tires on her 2004 Mazda3 and didn’t even want to buy a car.

“I wished I had never walked into the place,” she said. “I’ve had a lot of trouble keeping up with these payments. The stress has been terrible.”

Leonard described the salesman at the dealership as “slick” and the process mesmerized her. But after signing a contract and driving the vehicle away, she checked prices at other Mazda outlets.

“The differences were shocking,” she said. “I felt very disappointed how I was treated.”

The regulator charged the dealership; Trung, 38, of Vaughan; and sales manager Mohammed (Moe) Shaikh, 46, of Mississauga with “engaging in unfair practice by making an unconscionable representation,” contrary to the provincial Consumer Protection Act.

Trung said the defendants will plead not guilty when they appear in court this month.

Under the act, the employees could receive up to $100,000 each and/or two years less a day in jail if found guilty. The defendants could also be liable for damages to Leonard.

The regulator could also revoke the registrations of the dealerships and salesmen.

“Dealers tell me there is nothing wrong with making money but the law says there is something wrong if you take advantage of someone,” Smith said.

Mazda Canada said it would not decide on any action involving the dealership until a court rules on the charges.

“Obviously we expect our dealers and staff to operate professionally,” said spokesman Greg Young. “We’ll see what the (court) determination is.”

Mazda of Orangeville has also popped up on the radar screen of the Better Business Bureau of Mid-Western and Central Ontario.

Although the dealership is not a member, the bureau has received six complaints and issued a D+ rating on a scale from A+ to F since January 2008.

“It speaks for itself,” said a bureau official.
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