Am I Obligated to Pay him?

[Greenstoner]

Yes, u are obligated to pay him !!!!!



Pay him a visit and beat the living shit out of him
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[ericthehalfbee]

Originally Posted by chucki

Note: I told him I can help with the costs of the parts with my Lordco discount and he told me the shop he is dealing with will not accept customer parts because the shop itself needs to make a profit selling the parts. I've never heard of a shop that doesn't accept customer parts other than the original dealer.

See, now you've screwed yourself.

First off, by agreeing to pay for some of the parts you are basically admitting fault (or at least partial fault). You should have politely refused to pay for anything from the very beginning. If he goes to court, the judge is going to wonder why you are agreeing to pay him something when legally you don't have to. That will make the judge think you have a guilty conscience, and that will also make him think maybe you knew the clutch had problems.

Not only that but you offered to use your Lordco discount. A judge is going to wonder why you have a discount at a supplier like Lordco (perhaps you work for a mechanic shop or you do your own work). This will make it seem like you know more about cars than the average person, and therefore, maybe you did know your clutch was going.


A lot of shops won't accept customer parts, so I wouldn't say they're trying to scam you. The reason is this:

If I buy parts from our supplier and install them on a vehicle, they have a warranty. Not only a warranty on the parts, but on labour as well. So if I did your clutch and later on it's defective, my parts supplier will not only give me a new clutch, but they will also give me money to cover the labour. They will do this because they know we are a competent shop (try getting a supplier to pay for labour if you're some hole-in-the-wall shop or did the clutch DIY).

If we install a clutch that you brought to us, then there's no warranty. Of course if we make a mistake in the installation, then we are liable, but if the clutch is defective we're not going to remove it for you for free just so you can take it back to your supplier and get another one. So you have to pay us the labour to remove the defective clutch and then hope the supplier believes you when you say it's defective.

And you know what the supplier will say? "How do we know they didn't make a mistake installing it"? Then you as the customer get stuck between the shop and the supplier with both likely blaming the other.


Do you think this guy will want to have a clutch installed without warranty?

[Jgresch]

^ I don't think he agreed to pay for some parts, I think he was just gonna help him get a discount at lordco...

[orange7]

dude.. stop being a pushover.

fuk man.. the OP is making me mad. He's soo gullible.

why are you dragging this? Just tell the guy to "fuk off."

end it like a man, unless you're still a boy...

[chucki]

Originally Posted by Jgresch

^ I don't think he agreed to pay for some parts, I think he was just gonna help him get a discount at lordco...

Yeah you are right.. here is what I said in my e-mail "Once again, I am very sorry to hear that and if it helps, I can use my Lordco discount to price out some parts so the repair costs will be kept at a minimum".

[chucki]

Originally Posted by orange7

dude.. stop being a pushover.

fuk man.. the OP is making me mad. He's soo gullible.

why are you dragging this? Just tell the guy to "fuk off."

end it like a man, unless you're still a boy...

Yeah, I will tell him that (not word for word obviously) and if worst comes to worst, he can sue me. The last thing that worries me is that on the transfer paper, my address is on there and I have no idea what the new owner will do with that.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

dont bother

[orange7]

Originally Posted by chucki

The last thing that worries me is that on the transfer paper, my address is on there and I have no idea what the new owner will do with that.

well what do you think?
Is it worth risking a criminal record over $1700? Plus he's not even in Vancouver.
like wtf are you afraid of?
Just don't admitt knowing anything and don't agree to do anything cause you don't need to.


you know, it's better if you end this quickly instead of dragging it on.
The more you drag this on, the more the other person would feel like you are responsible for this, which you are not.

here are 2 scenarios:

1)
- keep stalling the issue, and acting like you want to help
- then tell him to fuk off after few months of stalling

2)
- tell him to fuck off right away when he first msged you so you both can get on with your lives



I would go with number 2.

[Super Dipper]

tell him to have a nice day and continue on with your life.

[Rotary_Rage]

First off what kind of car are we talking about, sorry if I missed it in previous posts.

1700$ for a clutch rebuild is a joke. 350-450 for a new clutch with about 4 hours work to drop it in at maybe 50$ an hour.

Basically you need to man up and tell him straight out "Look man, you bought the car at your own risk, as far as I knew at the time of the sale the clutch was fine. I am not legally obligated to help you with any form of payment, but I have offered my assistance by providing you with a discount on parts, If you choose not to accept my help then I wish you the best"

If he pursues legal action he will get laughed at and you can go back at him for harassment

[TheSalesman]

age doesn't matter in how you drive.
I'v had a 60 year old dude come test drive a manual car and he sucked ass....

OP, don''t pay anything. It's wear and tear and nobody can really estimate how much life is on the clutch unless its already slipping.
It's his fault for not having the car inspected.

Originally Posted by Fafine

LOL too many nice guys like you.. i wouldnt even consider paying half. guy shoulda checked out the car completely before buying.


just cause hes a middle age man doesnt mean he knows how to drive standard.

[Gridlock]

My favorite part is the quote about it being leaking for a long time. As the seller, are you supposed to go and have it inspected before selling it?

[FerrariEnzo]

if anything.. tell him to tow the car to YOUR mechanic and have it inspected.. if he doesnt agree then tell him to fuck off!!!

[1exotic]

You offered to pay for the parts and he refused, enough said. Tell him to go moleste his son.

[LiquidTurbo]

Why is this thread even still going? It should've been couple post, TOPS.

[optiblue]

offer 0... 3 weeks is a long time for someone to kill a clutch if they're learning on it!

[falcon]

Originally Posted by chucki

I mean, I would like to think that way, but what I want to know is legally, am I obligated?

No. You are not legally obligated. If you held VSA license and sold the car from a dealership, then yes you would be. A private sale is strictly buyer beware. I learned all about it at the Motor Vehicle Sales course.

If he takes you to small claims, you will win.

Originally Posted by chucki

He stated that the clutch fluid has been leaking for a while, which he states is the cause for the damage.

clutches don`t `blow` from low fluid. If anything the slave cyl will have issues dis-engaging the clutch or the pedal won`t work anymore. And you replace it from lordco for $40.

Originally Posted by 00EM1

I once bought a used car from a big name dealer, rolled off the lot and my window fell off the track. I took it back a half hour after I bought it and they pretty much told me to fuck off in a nice way.
So the first day every owning a decently newer vehicle I had to fix the window.

AS IS, WHERE IS, don't expect anything else

Except that is actually not the same thing with a dealer and you got fucket.

I would have called teh VSA immideatley after that happened.

[chucki]

Once again, I thank you all that had contributed to the thread and I would like to inform everyone that I have sent my last and final e-mail to the buyer stating I am not responsible and that I will not be legally obligated to pay for anything. What he will do now is all up to him.

[Mananetwork]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

Tell him you contacted Berzerker. Tell him Berzerker once knew a guy who knew a lawyer. Berzerker said your a fucking douchebag maybe you should learn how to drive a standard and the clutch wouldn't have blown up. Hang up phone come back to RS and post lulz.

Berz out.

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

+1 on what Berz said. If I didn't hire Berz I'd be paying sooooo much child support

LuLz!

[Ruff Ryd@s]

is this some kind of new scam?
and any updates from the OP of this thread?
Same thing is happening to me right now, but im not paying the guy shit

next time the guy calls back, hes in for some

[orange7]

any update?

[mr_chin]

I think the case depends on how long after he bought the car before the clutch blew out? 2 days? 3 days? Private sale provides no warranty or guarantee that all mechanic parts should be in working condition after so and so days.

It also depends on if you really said the clutch is in good condition.

I believe, if his father really is an attorney, or even if he's not, he can sue you for misrepresentation of a sale item. Then you'd have to hire your own lawyer to defend you. It's highly unlikely that he'll even win the case.

I doubt he'll go through all the hassle to sue for $1700 worth of repairs, but there are assholes out there like that just so you know.

[orange7]

anyone still remember AsNoobAsItGets?

He said he would sue RS and have it shutdown.

welll....

[jdmhaze]

Stop bumping this fucking thread, its probably over and done with.

[The_AK]

So what happened? guy is shifting gears without a clutch now? lolol