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ToyotaPowah 07-12-2010 01:55 PM

Have some questions for our Asian members!
 
Hey guys, I have a couple of questions for the Asian members of RS (that's roughly 95% of our member base, isn't it? :P). I searched a bit but didn't find anything very useful.

First off, are there more Cantonese speakers in the GVA than Mandarin? From what I've read it seems there are more Cantonese speakers, although the number of Mandarin speakers is on the rise.

Also, from what I've read, Cantonese is mostly spoken in Hong Kong and some parts of Southern China whereas Mandarin is spoken in the rest of China. Is this true? Is the influx of Mainland Chinese immigrants the reason why the number of Mandarin speakers in Vancouver is on the rise?

I was also wondering if Cantonese and Mandarin are similar in some respects. For example, can someone who is fluent in Cantonese understand and converse with someone who is fluent in Mandarin?

Thanks in advance for anyone that can help in answering these questions!

Greenstoner 07-12-2010 01:57 PM

Mostly YES to your questions

RacePace 07-12-2010 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToyotaPowah (Post 7025741)
Hey guys, I have a couple of questions for the Asian members of RS (that's roughly 95% of our member base, isn't it? :P). I searched a bit but didn't find anything very useful.

First off, are there more Cantonese speakers in the GVA than Mandarin? From what I've read it seems there are more Cantonese speakers, although the number of Mandarin speakers is on the rise. yes

Also, from what I've read, Cantonese is mostly spoken in Hong Kong and some parts of Southern China whereas Mandarin is spoken in the rest of China. Is this true? yes Is the influx of Mainland Chinese immigrants the reason why the number of Mandarin speakers in Vancouver is on the rise? yes

I was also wondering if Cantonese and Mandarin are similar in some respects. For example, can someone who is fluent in Cantonese understand and converse with someone who is fluent in Mandarin?
Cantonese and Mandarin are the same when in written form, and there are some similar words when spoken, but usually fluent Cantonese speakers won't understand fluent Mandarin speakers (and vice versa) if they don't have prior knowledge of the other language

Thanks in advance for anyone that can help in answering these questions!


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insomniac 07-12-2010 02:01 PM

EDIT: ^Illuminate beat me to it

oldsnail 07-12-2010 02:47 PM

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skyxx 07-12-2010 02:54 PM

^ Those aren't dialects. :lol Those are what people call "accents" , depending where you're from.

spoon.ek9 07-12-2010 03:18 PM

bad example by him, but there are many dialects in chinese (ie toisan, etc). written form of mandarin is similar to cantonese but not exactly the same. they have certain ways of saying things that simply sound stupid in cantonese (as in, no one says things that way).

being fluent in cantonese does not mean you can understand mandarin or vice versa.

1exotic 07-12-2010 03:23 PM

I'm African American and speak 11 languages

how dare you not include me!

ToyotaPowah 07-12-2010 03:48 PM

Thanks for the quick answers guys!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1exotic (Post 7025839)
I'm African American and speak 11 languages

how dare you not include me!

Haha, sorry exotic.. I'll be more careful with my choice of words next time :D





:troll:

q0192837465 07-12-2010 03:50 PM

In reality Mandarin = Chinese. Cantonese is merely a dialect. The only reason why Cantonese stands out from the rest of the dialects around China is because Hong Kong, a Cantonese speaking city, is a financial powerhouse.

The greatest influx of HKer is before the 1997 hand-over. After that, less are coming and more are heading back, so u see a decline in young HKer while more and more Mainlanders.

haymura 07-12-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToyotaPowah (Post 7025741)

I was also wondering if Cantonese and Mandarin are similar in some respects.


They both dont give any respects to anyone else....

(*OH SHIT... i see the RS beatdown crew in my front yard. gotta run!):eek5r:

Presto 07-12-2010 05:55 PM

We just hate the mainlanders. The disdain for them is fairly universal, too.

Eastwood 07-12-2010 06:07 PM

Why is there conflict from RS members about mainlanders compared to people from Hong Kong?

Spooling 07-12-2010 06:59 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Mandarin

Vale46Rossi 07-12-2010 07:06 PM

I came in Here hoping for a math question, I guess I m not needed anymore :(

goo3 07-12-2010 11:06 PM

I believe there was a time when mainlanders weren't allowed to leave the country and China did its introverted thing for awhile, which is kinda the exact opposite of what was going on in HK. So Mandarin was largely irrelevant here until the last 10 yrs or so.

Would Spanish to French be a good analogy for Cantonese to Mandarin speaking-wise?

Ikkaku 07-12-2010 11:48 PM

I always considered the difference to be that cantonese is less formal and uses more slangs than mandarin. Mandarin speakers pretty much speak like the written form, but imo cantonese can be quite different from the written language. An example is with english; you don't speak to each other formally as if you were writing a paper. I'm guessing somewhere people are speaking formal cantonese though.

But then again I'm CBC and can't read/write chinese if my life depended on it :lol

observer 07-13-2010 01:30 AM

"Would Spanish to French be a good analogy for Cantonese to Mandarin speaking-wise?"

Probably not a good analogy. Cantonese is mainly spoken and is far more causal. While you may have Spanish and French novels, most of the words used in a Cantonese conversation actually would not appear in literature or newspaper. In other words, Cantonese in a written form becomes more like standard Chinese (which Mandarin speakers will be able to read).

Slightly off topic and to make the matter more complicated, as far as written Chinese is concerned, there are two variations. Simplified Chinese is used in China while traditional Chinese is used in Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Cantonese is a dialect, and there are many dialects spoke in China. For example, Hokkien is widely spoken by many Chinese in Southeast Asia. Shanghainese and Teochew are two other common dialects. One would find the older generation feeling more at home using their dialect.

Standard Mandarin is the official language in China and one of the 6 official languages of the United Nations.

Cantonese because of its popular Hong Kong media influence (film, TV and music), is also widely spoken especially by many overseas Chinese.

Many mainland Chinese like to learn Cantonese to understand the pop culture better appearing more hip. Hong Kong Chinese on the other hand, feel the need to learn Mandarin to do business in China. I would think Cantonese is probably more difficult to learn.

Shun Izaki 07-13-2010 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haymura (Post 7025866)
They both dont give any respects to anyone else....

(*OH SHIT... i see the RS beatdown crew in my front yard. gotta run!):eek5r:

wasn't me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Presto (Post 7025966)
We just hate the mainlanders. The disdain for them is fairly universal, too.

i hate mainlanders with a passion... but i'll stilll bang cute mainlander girls... no problem with that... as long as it's not asian_xl surprise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenDuang (Post 7026054)
I came in Here hoping for a math question, I guess I m not needed anymore :(

I honestly thought that was what it was about LOL

FerrariEnzo 07-13-2010 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by q0192837465 (Post 7025860)
In reality Mandarin = Chinese.

Chinese isnt a language.
its like asking an east indian to speak in indian... (haha i quoted this from Russell Peters)

Kaiten 07-13-2010 08:56 AM

To be honest with you guys I never understood the Chinese hate between HKrs and mainlanders and what-not. Why all the hate? It seems that everyone looks down on mainlanders but in all honesty, from an outside perspective, there is no distinction. Is it related back to history? Excuse my ignorance but I've always never understood.

CP.AR 07-13-2010 09:01 AM

Keep in mind too that MOST Cantonese speakers write in TRADIONAL chinese, whereas MOST mandarin speakers write in SIMPLIFIED Chinese
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CP.AR 07-13-2010 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiten (Post 7027099)
To be honest with you guys I never understood the Chinese hate between HKrs and mainlanders and what-not. Why all the hate? It seems that everyone looks down on mainlanders but in all honesty, from an outside perspective, there is no distinction. Is it related back to history? Excuse my ignorance but I've always never understood.

EDIT: Now I'm home and I can express myself

DISCLAIMER: I DO NOT INTEND TO INSULT OR HURT ANY MAINLAND CHINESE, IT'S JUST MY TAKE ON THE ISSUE ON HAND

Here's my take...
Spoiler!

SkinnyPupp 07-13-2010 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by q0192837465 (Post 7025860)
In reality Mandarin = Chinese. Cantonese is merely a dialect. The only reason why Cantonese stands out from the rest of the dialects around China is because Hong Kong, a Cantonese speaking city, is a financial powerhouse.

The greatest influx of HKer is before the 1997 hand-over. After that, less are coming and more are heading back, so u see a decline in young HKer while more and more Mainlanders.

Mandarin does not "equal" chinese, it is a chinese dialect like any other. it (putonghua) is the one chosen by the communists to be the 'official' language of the PRC when they took control. Start here if you want to learn more.

I am actually quite shocked at how many people still speak cantonese in southern china, from obviously Shenzhen all the way up through guangzhou, and even to guilin. You can get by pretty well in guang dong province only speaking cantonese I think.

SkinnyPupp 07-13-2010 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiten (Post 7027099)
To be honest with you guys I never understood the Chinese hate between HKrs and mainlanders and what-not. Why all the hate? It seems that everyone looks down on mainlanders but in all honesty, from an outside perspective, there is no distinction. Is it related back to history? Excuse my ignorance but I've always never understood.

It's like calling someone from New Zealand and Australian, or calling a Canadian an American redneck. People don't want to be grouped with them. Not going to bash any group of people here, but let's just say that most people in Mainland China have only begun learning how to be middle class citizens. They do... things... differently from other Chinese people from HK or Taiwan, etc.

I'm sure other people can describe it in a less sensitive way that might be easier to understand.


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