First Nations Rant

[PiuYi]

I haven't seen anything posted here on VOT but first nations people have been really getting on my nerves recently with all their wants and needs. First it was the Stanley Park name change, then it was the Salish Sea, then it was wanting more casino revenue, then HST exemption, and now they have their own fucking passports...




I'll post all the stories here:

Stanley Park: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1626970/

Stanley Park is known internationally as one of the world’s top urban parks. An evergreen oasis of 400 hectares on the edge of downtown Vancouver, it draws more than eight million visitors annually to its beaches, forests and seawall.

But would it be just as popular if it was known as Xwayxway?

On the eve of Canada Day, a 95-year-old elder from the Squamish First Nation suggested a shift to the historic aboriginal name for the land.

Salish Sea: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...alish-sea.html

A large area of coastal waters off the south coast of British Columbia were officially named the Salish Sea by both First Nations and government leaders at a ceremony in Victoria on Thursday.
The new name doesn't replace any of the existing official names for Puget Sound, the Juan de Fuca Strait or the Strait of Georgia near Vancouver.

Instead the original names will be retained, but the name Salish Sea will be used to indicate the entire area. The name refers to the language of the First Nations groups that originally occupied the area.

Wanting More Casino Money: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ommission.html

A First Nations group in B.C. says the provincial government is unfairly shutting aboriginals out of gaming action and now it wants to force the government to show them the money.

The First Nations Summit has created its own gaming commission in an attempt to devise a way to pry away some of the billions of dollars the provincial government takes in every year.

Every other province with legalized gambling has some kind of profit-sharing agreement with its First Nations, Chief Joe Hall, chairman of the B.C. First Nations Gaming Commission, said Monday.

Exempt from HST: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...exemption.html

The Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs says its members want the same harmonized sales tax exemption that First Nations in Ontario will receive.

On Thursday, the federal government agreed to Ontario's request to give First Nations a point-of-sale exemption on the provincial portion of the HST.

Grand Chief Stewart Philip, the president of the union of B.C. chiefs, said First Nations in his province want the same exemption.

Passports: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/...ssport016.html

A team of Iroquois lacrosse players blocked from travelling to a tournament in England because they refuse to use American or Canadian passports has bowed out of the competition.

Jemison says the squad is still trying to gain recognition for the passports so it can attend future international games.

I don't understand why a minority population can have so many special exemptions and shit, isn't this racism? they get special perks and benefits because of their race! Yes, they were slighted when the Europeans came and during the earlier half of the 20th century, but thats history, and most of the people reaping the benefits now weren't even born when their ancestors were mistreated. anyways, what do you guys think? i'm expecting many fails but had to rant about this

/rant

[SkinnyPupp]

"that's history"?

This is history. It's not like things like invasion and genocide have an expiry date.

[El Bastardo]

This thread is destined for Fight Club. Toot toot! See you all there!


(Honestly though, I don't think we're going to be able to have a real discussion on natives. I've seen us discuss it before and its always been a dismal failure)

[jbsali]

i think the exemptions are bullshit. we should all be treated equally.

[kokanee_vtec]

First nations people shuld start a forum called Rezscene

[achiam]

Originally Posted by PiuYi

I don't understand why a minority population can have so many special exemptions and shit, isn't this racism? they get special perks and benefits because of their race! Yes, they were slighted when the Europeans came and during the earlier half of the 20th century, but thats history, and most of the people reaping the benefits now weren't even born when their ancestors were mistreated. anyways, what do you guys think? i'm expecting many fails but had to rant about this

/rant

I'm all fuckin' for this. Sure they got shafted and all, no disputin' that. But where does it end? Are they still gonna get free tuition and shit 1000 years from now?
Sorry buddy but if you wanna sell us Vancouver Island for a 6-pack of beer and some beads, a deal's a deal, just don't come back crying.

[MG1]

What ever happened to NativeRus?

I kind of had some faith in the guy. You know, give his side of the story, educate us about his culture, etc. He just plain gave up, I guess. I hate to say it, but typical.......... he didn't do much to help improve the image of his peoples - at least not here.

Between the Quebecois and the Iroquois, there's too much whining - "me, me, me" and not enough "we".

As for the elder who wanted Stanley Park named "whatever", he needs to wake up.
Renaming places and getting non-natives upset is not helping matters. You want stuff? Work smarter. Raise your children to use the white man's technology and use it to better yourselves. Promote your culture in a positive way. Pride comes from hard work - not sititng on your asses waiting for more handouts.

Look at the Asians who came to this land. They toiled and worked damn hard. Their children, grandchildren great grandchildren enjoy what they have now because of the groundwork laid generations ago.

Stop wallowing in the past. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves. Do something about it. Look at Post war Japan. At the end of the war, they were thoroughly beaten and ashamed. As a nation, they rebuilt themselves, rose from defeat, and have used the white man's technology to better themselves - in some cases, beat them at their own game.

Follow great leaders like Chief Dan George, who believed that fighting the white man and his ways was not the way for his people. He believed that learning the white man's way and rising above it all was the only solution for his people.

You can keep your culture while embracing technology.

[CP.AR]

it's amazing how they wanted to be treated equally, yet demand differences to be made in the social structure to differentiate them (natives) and other people.

fucking amazing how the human psychology works huh?

[kokanee_vtec]

I don't know what the fuck they changed the name to but It will always be Stanley Park to me.

[shawn79]

why are the government even listening to them?

[satek]

They are only good at waiting for welfare checks.

[G-spec]

I always found it hilarious that some of their names are whiter than your typical white guy's names

Stewart Philip & Dan George

[MG1]

Originally Posted by G-spec

I always found it hilarious that some of their names are whiter than your typical white guy's names

Stewart Philip & Dan George

Like Lee, Long, and Shin..........oh wait, solly, wong example.

[Redlines_Daily]

I met the Chief of the Kelowna first nations band..actually Im not sure what band it was but everyone referred to him as "the big chief". Anyways, he is super rich from government hand outs, gaming...I saw a portion of his garage and he had a Maybach, Ford GT and Shelby GT500 convertible..and thats just what I saw..heard he has over 15 cars. No real point to my post I guess, that just made me kinda angry to know that our tax dollars are going into his private garage.

[nack]

maybe we could use that money to keep the natives away from commercial drive, I hate it when they act so "hard" and stare at random people

[shawn79]

^ makes me dont want to go blenz or a&w

[vafanculo]

Not only what everyone has mentioned here, I also hate how if you step on "their" land it's like a
blood stepping onto crips territory. They just won't have it.

I've heard lots of stories about people getting beat up, chased, and rocks thrown at them for being on native land. Like we don't threaten them when they are on public land... Why do they get private land?

And don't let them fool you. The elders and top members of the totem pole so to say, are all filthy rich bastards. Even every
young native gets a good sized handout when they reach a specific age.
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[SkinnyPupp]

Yes, I'm sure you've heard "lots of stories". And that totally means they are all completely true.

[CBP_EG6]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=7494602

[kokanee_vtec]

^ lol ..Rezlife

[mqr03]

I'm not siding with either or but you do realize your European ancestors did steal 'their' land and practically raped and pillaged whole tribes hundreds of years ago.
Its not like the government doesn't waste our money on other frivolous expenditures.

[MG1]

Originally Posted by Jeremy_888

I met the Chief of the Kelowna first nations band..actually Im not sure what band it was but everyone referred to him as "the big chief". Anyways, he is super rich from government hand outs, gaming...I saw a portion of his garage and he had a Maybach, Ford GT and Shelby GT500 convertible..and thats just what I saw..heard he has over 15 cars. No real point to my post I guess, that just made me kinda angry to know that are tax dollars are going into his private garage.

All that while the majority of the tribe members live in shitty conditions.

Those chiefs will tell you how hard they work and that it's no different than CEO's of corporations and other high ranking, government officials. It is ironic that they are fighting for more money for their tribes, yet they are the ones who are getting richer and richer.

A majority of natives want self government. I hope they get it. A one time deal that would end future handouts. Give them what they want, within reason, and let them sink or swim. A treaty to end all treaties. Like Quebec, when reality sinks in, they'll back off. They really have it made. You should see how much educational funding they get. Most of us would love to get that kind of money, but at what cost? I'd rather keep my pride and make it on my own.

A lot of experts say the natives lack pride and that they need to get back their culture/heritage. Learn about their history, native tongue, arts, etc. I think they've got it half right. What they need is a strong leader. A modern leader/visionary that will lead them into the 21st century, while celebrating their history and culture. It can be done. They need examples of successful natives. A group of lawyers, teachers, and corporate leaders. Although they claim to be the first inhabitants of this great country, they are the most backwards of any race.

If they are the original peoples of North America, then I guess our tax dollars are like rent. We'll just keep paying the fucking rent. Will they eventually assimilate or disappear over time?

Right now, it isn't so bad. Can you imagine if they got wise and actually made good use of all that funding? I say let sleeping dogs lie. Our fathers had it right. Keep them drunk and happy, "cause when the natives get restless, there's gonna be trouble.


As a side note, I heard that the Queen of England addressed the native issue. She really has to STFU. Does she have no idea how much the rest of Canada toiled to make this country what it is today? We did this dispite the natives' whining and bitching.

Anyway.................

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by mqr03

I'm not siding with either or but you do realize your European ancestors did steal 'their' land and practically raped and pillaged whole tribes hundreds of years ago.
Its not like the government doesn't waste our money on other frivolous expenditures.

And also, people are basing this off what some extremist whackjobs say to get themselves mentioned in the news.

It's only really the corrupt fuckers who are trying to leech the system as much as they can, the ones who want a 'self government' so they can really screw over the rest of their people.

[EmperorIS]

we should just put the french, the natives, and religious fanatics in to a steel cage and let them have a battle royale

[vafanculo]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Yes, I'm sure you've heard "lots of stories". And that totally means they are all completely true.

Yes, I know, they are just stories, but they are not too farfetched. How about you take a litte stroll through a Reserve by yourself and hangout along the rivers with a fishing pole, and report back what happens.
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