First Nations Rant

[murd0c]

At least the Natives here are more civilized in away. I'm from Winnipeg and the Cherokee and Mohawk Indians they have on the prairies and even in parts of the interior are beyond horrible. I remember being4-5 yrs old playing in the park at the end of my street in the summer when a group of 5 of them came up to me. I was being all nice because I didn't know better and then they starting stoneing me and kicked the crap out of me while calling me whitey and rich boy this is our land you don't deserve to be here.

I know it's just a select few that think that way but they do and are actually mad at us for living on "their" land. After that day I had a whole different view of things and I was so young.

I remember coming home and my parents calling the police and they came over and couldn't do anything because they said they would get more mad and lash out so they told me just stay away from those kids.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by BaoXu

^ how about the white bums on the street addicted to crack and cocaine? they want handouts too. yet the government helps them.

Didn't your mama teach you: two wrongs don't make a right.

I think wasting $1.4B on 10,000 residents of the DTES is dumb too.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by 89blkcivic

Interesting statement there..........

I hope this thread doesn't get to fight club. I hope we get some insight into their (First Nations people) lives, mindset, struggles, challenges, etc. I guess we'll never know because as soon as someone does pipe in, they'll get bombarded with negative comments.

One of my best friends is aboriginal, his family lived like every other family in our small town, yet he qualified for tax and loan exemptions the rest of us did not. Hell we even copied his Indian status card so we could get the tax exemptions too!

To be clear, I have no problems with most first nations people. I have a problem giving them benefits above and beyond the rest of Canadians. If they want to be left alone to live a simple life, then go do it. The Amish do it successfully without government handouts. If they want to integrate into our society, like many have, then great. Yet why did my friend need special privileges when his family is no different than others in my small town?

I hope it does not go to fight club cause some people here do need education on both sides. I have been educated, and my opinion stands.

[RRxtar]

They want everything the 'white man' has given them, plus everything they had originally, plus more.

I say, they should make a choice: you either live in the world the 'white man' has created for you. or we build you an area with a 20 foot high wall in the middle of the forest somewhere, and you give the 'white man' back your house, your car, your reading glasses, your ability to read, your money, your clothes, your guns, your tools, your computer, your medicine, and we give you a loin cloth and a bow and arrow. I bet you none of the natives take that deal.

[RRxtar]

and whoever posted about the "Kelowna indian cheif", its actually called the "Westbank First Nations", and is lead by Chief Robert Louie. The Westbank First Nations are one of the most successfull Indiand Bands in the world and have actually worked very hard to get to where they are.

they dont just sit around collecting government handouts. just look at Robert Louie's bio.
•Bachelor of Law, LLB, University of Victoria – 1982 Graduate
•Business Commerce Courses – 2 years
•Business Administration Diploma, Okanagan University College – 1975 Graduate
•Order of Canada (OOC), 2006
•Okanagan College Distinguished Alumni Award

he is a very successfull business man in the 'white man' world and uses that success to help grow his native community. the WFN is an example more first nations should follow.


just to give you a perspective on how they are viewed, the Westbank Walmart is the only Walmart in the world built on Native land. they have a policy to NOT build on Native land.

[Drow]

there was only 1 native kid that was actually real nice and cool... i rmb he was a buddy of mine in elementary

all other encounters with natives are bad. they all stare you down and think theyre pretty gangster with their 90's clothes. I remember a group of young native adults who were harassing everybody at a skytrain station. went to some small town near kelowna with my family for a few days and i saw packs of native kids doing nothing but sit there and stare down people with their ghetto ass boombox blasting rap music.

[RRxtar]

Originally Posted by oniyou

I remember a group of young native adults who were harassing everybody at a skytrain station. went to some small town near kelowna with my family for a few days and i saw packs of native kids doing nothing but sit there and stare down people with their ghetto ass boombox blasting rap music.

so just like any less fortunate white/asian/black/mexican group in any city in north america

[Phil@rise]

Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
The more the Indians squeak the more they get greased. Its our pushover government that keeps doing the greasing.
I say fuck em you've been given enough now make the best of it like the rest of us. I've got plenty of Indian friends and thats what they've done and guess what they are productive self sufficient members of society. It's the rez life and mentality that breeds such views of entitlement gluttony and self pity.

[murd0c]

It's just like any race there's good people and bad people. The only difference with the natives is that when they drink and use drugs they get more out of control compared to other races. You can't single out a whole race because of a way a select few of people or a group acts.

It's like seeing a blond hair blue eyed white person and thinking they could be a Nazi or seeing a black person and think they are a gangster. Even tho I don't agree with the Natives using this is our land we want money and name changes and really blowing it out of control there is a large group who works hard for their money and doesn't ask the band for handouts. I think this people need to be more outspoken in a way but I think they are too worried cause they will be a outcast if they actually spoke their minds.

[El Bastardo]

I grew up in a small town on the island and for a while my mom would rent my grandmother's old house for a little extra money. We rented to a native family and that worked out well for all of two months. By the time the third month rolled around and we noticed the yard was strewn with a partially dis-assembled car, kids toys, and trash bags ripped open by raccoons we said something about it.
The month after that we had a hard time collecting the rent and after that we were told to "Fuck off" because this is "Their land anyway" all because our "Grandparents had stolen from them"

I'm a first generation Canadian on one side and a third generation Canadian on the other side. Most of my ancestors were busy being repressed by communists, fascists, and fighting in the name of the Queen to ensure that Hitler's "Final Solution" didn't turn the noble aboriginal people's contribution to the world into a paragraph in a history book.

Oh, and we actually owned the property too.


Anyway, a few broken windows later we were left to clean up the mess when they carted off their possessions in the middle of the night.


I'm not sure why they left the comfort of the reservation to intrude on our lives but I can only assume they returned after costing us a few hundred dollars in repairs and screwing us out of a month's rent.


I won't let that experience sour me on an entire people. That would be ignorant.


I do have a unique perspective, however, because I do (at my job) deal with some band officials who have to speak on the behalf of their residents due to a low ability to function outside of the reserve.

I think the reserve system does far more harm than it does good. Instead of creating a unique community in which a people who feel oppressed can feel comfortable it makes a tidy bubble that keeps the rest of society out. Like it or not, Canada does have a status quo and if you're not able to cut it, thats ok. The one thing you can't do is complain about it.

The aboriginal people of Australia don't receive anywhere near as much social assistance and they still manage to acclimate and succeed pretty well. And man... the pomes did a number on them.


Revscene's discussion isn't going to solve the world's problems or bring light to how the native people are treated in 2010 but I am pleasantly surprised that we've gone 3 pages and have only had to lay the points smackdown on one person. Good job!


Oh, and I would love to see NativeRus make an appearance in this thread. The last "Native" thread he was involved with he rocked that ass (IIRC)
Paging Dr. Rus....

[MG1]

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

I think the reserve system does far more harm than it does good. Instead of creating a unique community in which a people who feel oppressed can feel comfortable it makes a tidy bubble that keeps the rest of society out.

Totally agree with you.

Speaking of unique communities, this reminded me of the internment camps of WWII.

Oh, and I would love to see NativeRus make an appearance in this thread. The last "Native" thread he was involved with he rocked that ass (IIRC)
Paging Dr. Rus....

Link, please..........

Yeah, he should make an appearance.

[El Bastardo]

NativeRus' "Ask an Indian" thread


http://www.revscene.net/forums/ask-i....html?t=500342

[asahai69]

Originally Posted by Phil@rise

Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

This.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by murd0c

It's just like any race there's good people and bad people. The only difference with the natives is that when they drink and use drugs they get more out of control compared to other races. You can't single out a whole race because of a way a select few of people or a group acts.

It's like seeing a blond hair blue eyed white person and thinking they could be a Nazi or seeing a black person and think they are a gangster. Even tho I don't agree with the Natives using this is our land we want money and name changes and really blowing it out of control there is a large group who works hard for their money and doesn't ask the band for handouts. I think this people need to be more outspoken in a way but I think they are too worried cause they will be a outcast if they actually spoke their minds.

It's not a select few. It's the majority. If you see a successful, well-mannered, educated First Nation's person, they are in the minority.

If you look at statistics, Natives are off the charts when it comes to suicide, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, etc.

[vafanculo]

I got a question about native and booze. I heard when I was younger that natives have (can't really explain it) a bit different blood level that affects their handling of booze. I know I didn't word it right, but is there any truth to this?
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[murd0c]

Originally Posted by vafanculo

I got a question about native and booze. I heard when I was younger that natives have (can't really explain it) a bit different blood level that affects their handling of booze. I know I didn't word it right, but is there any truth to this?
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yes that is actually the case, for some reason they react to the alcohol I think it's because they have only been used to it for a couple hundred years so their body act's differently too it.

[RRxtar]

believe it or not, asians have the same genetic alcohol tollerance problem as native americans. nearly 1/3rd of both race's lack all the enzime associated with breaking down alchohol.

you know how lots of asians get red when they drink? thats a tell tale sign of it.

while asians have maybe sipped on alcohol dating back thousands of years, like murdoc said, people of european decent, really like to drink, and the blood line has been more exposed to heavy drinking for alot longer developing an alcohol 'tollerance' at a genetic level.

[PiuYi]

Originally Posted by Qmx323

hmmm, i knew this kid in HS that was 1/16th native.

fucker got into ubc with shit for marks, didnt do shit in school

fucking pissed me off

forgot to mention this too in my rant

everybody works like dogs to earn their way into universities and first nations have spots RESERVED for them? why don't they have to work and study their way into universities like everyone else? since when was it their birth given right to have a university education when everyone else has to compete (marks wise) to be accepted into a university?

reserving spots for them is not only unfair, it degrades the value of my degree. The international reputation of Canadian degrees takes a heavy hit when people from other countries learn that you can earn one by cutting corners

[Ronin]

Especially now with entrance requirements as high as they are. It's like a 90+ average to make it into UBC now.

[deuel_1]

This thread is exactly why native people won't / can't assimilate, we are all the same to you. Me i'll be fine because I was raised by a woman who instilled confidence in me. I know I am your equal, most first nations don't know that.
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[murd0c]

Originally Posted by deuel_1

This thread is exactly why native people won't / can't assimilate, we are all the same to you. Me i'll be fine because I was raised by a woman who instilled confidence in me. I know I am your equal, most first nations don't know that.
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Thanks for saying that. If more people had the mind frame as you this world will be a better place.

I didn't realize that most first nations don't know or have understood that everyone equal. I personally have never thought other wise but can understand why they feel that way after reading and talking about it in the open like this.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by 89blkcivic

The DTES is there because of the attitudes we have as a society.

The DTES exists because it's a haven for people who have made poor life decisions, and we allow them to continue sucking at life.

People in the DTES and the native's that live on reserves that waste and destroy everything they never had to work for have a LOT in common. Canada is an extremely tolerant country with all kinds of social programs to help anyone and everyone with almost every conceivable problem. All the addicts and self-destructive natives do is use and abuse the taxpayers. The DTES and rundown reserves exist because our society coddles the weak.

These people will never "fix" themselves because they have no incentive to, we'll just keep giving them handouts. Cut them off and they either get their shit together or slip deeper and weed themselves out of the gene pool. Personally (and sadly) it's about time we did this, it's gonna happen eventually anyway. It has to.

I whole heartedly agree that native people have had way way way more than their fare share of handouts. I worked for a company that did residential and community developments on reserves. We were building a community center on one reserve and I remember delivering materials when the drywall was just being put up. 6 weeks later making a delivery for another project on the same reserve that community center was already vandalized, graffiti'd, had holes punched in the drywall.... it was ruined. What a joke, cut them off.

[MG1]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

These people will never "fix" themselves because they have no incentive to, we'll just keep giving them handouts. Cut them off and they either get their shit together or slip deeper and weed themselves out of the gene pool. Personally (and sadly) it's about time we did this, it's gonna happen eventually anyway. It has to.

Thank you for proving my point.

Cut them off and they either get their shit together or come by your house or mine and slit our throats for another fix.

It's nobody's problem until it becomes ours. <------ didn't come out right. Anyway........... this thread has run its course for me. I'll just sit back and enjoy.

[Death2Theft]

Part of the problem lies with native parents being the biggest pushovers i've ever seen. The kids can get away with anything.

[t8v6]

Originally Posted by PiuYi

forgot to mention this too in my rant

everybody works like dogs to earn their way into universities and first nations have spots RESERVED for them? why don't they have to work and study their way into universities like everyone else? since when was it their birth given right to have a university education when everyone else has to compete (marks wise) to be accepted into a university?

reserving spots for them is not only unfair, it degrades the value of my degree. The international reputation of Canadian degrees takes a heavy hit when people from other countries learn that you can earn one by cutting corners

i was told 60% of all natives who get into UBC get kicked out after the 1st year due to failing grades, not sure if the numbers are true or not
but even if they get in doesn't necessarily mean they're staying in