Read my post above.

As I stated. If your a grad student, who's worked with MS or Shaw, I doubt Telus or IBM will look entirly at your marks or base your job off marks. They will no doubly see your worked for a competitor and know what your doing. I know plently of people who worked at Shaw with ONLY HS education and easily got a job later at Telus paying them a wad load now.

Even Bill Gates states "he doesn't care about marks when students apply. He looks at the type of person they are and work experience. School means crap, since any student can get marks."

It is.. but not if they already have worked with a similar company. Then it would be one of the bottom things to look at or base a decision upon.

BTW thanks for the insult, shows how mature you must be. Yes, you hurt my feelings oh no!

Hey if that makes you feel better about your self.. then sure :)

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have the guts to say it to my face. The internet is an easy place to say anything to anyone. Sad.....

The post-grad/management/leadership programs are for students finishing an undergraduate degree applying for entry-level positions with large corporations. Those positions are designed for students and train them to become senior managers over a long term.

Grad students? Some guy with high school only? Some guy who's worked a few years at competitor? All those examples you keep giving over and over again aren't eligible to apply. It's irrelevant, just like most everything else you post.

If you do apply for these programs, yes they look at your resume, but guess what else they want:

Transcripts. Who'd have thought?

Here, one more time, just for kicks.

u guys r both fucking retarded and arguing in circles. hes not saying marks dont matter, just that depending on what you do, the importance of your gpa is over emphasized. he gave you a specific example. and you gave him another. *applaud

put it this way, there are tons of fresh grads with good gpas. whats going to seperate the ones that get hired and ones that don't, are the ones who have good references from reputable employers

And your stuck on the fact that you are repeating your self. I'm not talking about programs. I'm strictly talking about some one out there, who's looking for work. And not a fresh grad either.

Learn to read or go take Eng 101 again. Noob

Totally agree with you on this, thanks for posting it like it is...

man find out what you got on your final first before bitching about your mark

harryt im speechless. you remind me of those fools who do presentations in elementary schools, using your career path as the example of what not to do. god damnit you dim-witted LB, i want to make fun of you but at the same time I feel so bad for you. you fail.

sure, his grammar might be slightly incorrect, but i'd rather hire someone who makes a few grammatical errors than someone who's retarded beyond a reasonable doubt *cough*harryt*cough*.

you have no idea what you're talking about. i can't believe you were actually accepted into a post secondary institution. your probably the only person on earth with an IQ in the negatives. go back to langara you cuntscab.

hahahahhaha i like you man, we should be friends lol

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I think we are giving suggestions to the OP, and he is a student who is about to or having entry level experience.

Yes, if you are 40 and have been working for 20 years, grades do not matter because you probably forgot everything that you learned in school already.

But for the OP, he is probably 20 years old, and have little to none professional experience.

It's been 2 pages and he still haven't responded yet? hmmm.

Nice to see we are getting some sort of discussion here.

Just to clarify things, for this class, profs mark all the assignments/exams. And for the record, I received an A- for the final exam which was worth 50% of the mark. I am going to go through with the appeal and see how it goes.

I love the argument that you guys are discussing above, but I agree with the majority of you, of that grades do in fact matter, especially when you are fresh out in the workforce right after your grad.

It is only an exception that grades don't matter when you've worked 4-5 years or so, but of course, this DOES NOT APPLY here as stated, because this is a CAMPUS forum, which means this is an area/environment for students that are currently still attending Post-secondary. It is pretty absurd how you (HarryT) mention that the topic of marks don't matter should be applied to a student who has worked full time before at a reputable company or has done "5 co-op semesters". On average, people only do 2 co-ops and get out at SFU, how often do you see 5?

It's funny how you started one claim of "marks don't matter", then listed all the assumptions that you were using after you were getting trashed. Anyways, this is pretty much an end of thread cause it is getting way more attention that it deserves and the argument is just going in circles. I say we go back to whatever we were doing... and HarryT, well, you can keep on thinking marks don't matter until bright students jump over whatever you were doing for 5-10 years in less than 2 years.

Interesting. Assuming the A- in your final exam is already curved and given your assignments/projects are above Bs, the next step is to ask the professor if they have recorded your marks correctly.

If all that have been verified and you still have a B, ask the professor for a justification. (Keep in mind, grades are inputted by the professor on their go.sfu account. However, I don't know how hard it is to change it after submission.)

Dude, Harryt, your posts in this thread make it seems like you are finished with your degree and have been working for a while. Looking at your posts in the SFU thread, you are a 1st/2nd year student!?!?

You have a longgggggggggggggggggg way to go. When I was at your age, I thought marks didn't matter too. But usually it's an excuse for people who don't want to study hard at school. Do your share of studying when you are a student, and don't pull those experience vs. grades bullshit.

Trust me, as a student, do your job and study hard. This is coming from a graduate student and have been a SFU student for 6 years.

Ask your professor for more details as to how he came to the conclusion that your final grade is a B. Is your "A-" on your final exam the result of a relative marking scheme or absolute?

^ yeah, OP, why don't you ask for an explanation before appealing?


And do grades matter?

for jobs that don't need you to be book smart, no. They'd have a minimum level in mind, but the interview probably matters more where they try to find a good fit.

for jobs that do and want you to pick up what you were taught, yes.

Not all jobs place value on the same things. And grades only tell part of the story - they don't tell you anything about someone's communication skills, ppl skills, street smarts, etc..

For big companies, they look for the best..

How about this, guys:

Marks do matter--but they aren't the only thing that matter. "Anybody" can't get an A average (in most programs): if you show up with a 3.9-4.0 average, it shows that you have great work ethic, are committed, and have good capacity for learning.

However, your attitude, personality, etc., are all factors in the hiring decision. If you've got an A average, but are completely intolerable, have no contact with the outside world other than obviously you're not really hireable. On the flipside, if you show up with a B average, but are very personable, enthusiastic, and have some relevant experience under your belt, those are all pros in your favour too.

Then, as has been mentioned before, there's the fact that different jobs weigh different qualities more heavily (still, scraping by with a 2.0 GPA will cause a few questions in most employers' minds), and the fact that as you grow further away from university, your experience is of greater importance than your GPA.

But in terms of getting that first job--I think a solid GPA does help quite a bit in most cases. Not the be-all-end-all--experience and personality are also marks in your favour--but it's one more way to differentiate yourself from other applicants.

^Disclaimer: the above is for the kind of jobs you apply for out of college. Not for a job as a construction worker, electrician, mechanic, etc...

That said, OP, I probably wouldn't appeal in your case. The professor isn't obligated to give out a certain number of A's, B's, etc.--my first response would be to sit down with the professor and go over your exam/paper/what-have-you (in a way that doesn't say "give me more marks"). If he shows that he marked it consistently and in a rational way, then you're probably SOL and risk more by making the appeal.

Marks are like good looks. It might offer you many opportunities but not many will keep you if you don't have a whole package. Getting a job with your grades won't necessarily ensure that you can keep that job after five years if you lack the personality for it.

Unfortunately, most corporations will close the door on you if you don't have the grades. If you're in finance, health or law, it matters to them that you have good grades. I'm not saying it's right that there are more doors open for a 4.0 then a 3.98, but that's the way the system is and we have to work our way around it.

Then again I also disagree with many of you saying that grades are THAT important, a person who leaves university with a 2.5 isn't necessarily worse off than someone who leaves with a 4.0, in the end they both have degrees and it depends on how they use it.

Grades, especially in university are so subjective. Professors can manipulate grades so easily by changing some numbers here and there.

To the OP, if you think the prof's system is so unfair and that you really did produce quality work I say go and dispute it. The system won't change if everyone just bent over and took it in the ass from your prof. The university will continually be unaware of your prof's faults if no one ever says anything.

Also, what kind of "lifelong learning" educational system are we promoting if we are discouraged to explore areas outside our comfort level because we fear bad grades? Those who get good marks are often doing what they're already good at to get that high GPA.

this gave my a heck of a time to read.

Nobody cares!

Can't believe you actually posted on my visitors wall because of this thread. Now all I hear is the sound of your credibility going down the toilet. *Flush*

It's okay to be jealous.. I understand no worries man.

harryt im more jealous of oprah's ancient vagina than i am of you. if i had a choice, i would rather be reincarnated as sheep poo than to be revived into your uglyass body. harryt, even if grades arn't that important, logic is one hell of a valuable skill if you wish to succeed in life. apparently, you have none, most likely caused by your parents being brother and sister before their marriage. why don't you actually use that infinitesimally small brain of yours to conjure an articulate response, backed with solid evidence, rather than be a little bitch and make generic statements like "It's okay to be jealous.. I understand no worries man. "

Haha another person who is jealous! Nice, it's okay man. I understand.

It's quite funny though. You throw insults at me and curses etc.. and yet say your the mature one? I never once swore or insulted anyone in a personal way. Shows how mature most people are here these days... I rather be more mature and respect people. Than to act like I'm all that, insult people and act like i'm better than them.

So go ahead curse more at the end of the day it will show you have no respect for anyone. Doesn't matter if their smart or stupid, you should never lose respect for people. I'm sure at the end of the day people reading this will know who the real idiots are... the people who can't come in and disgaree or agree in a mature manner.

So good work for the ones who just have to throw insults. You are so much better than ANYONE who has lower marks then you. Your insults and no respect for anyone makes you such good people.

And for those who came out and posted maturely I thank you for your comments even if you agreed or disagreed. At least you have the decency to post your opinion without having to insult someone. :thumbsup:

you posted "noob toob" on my profile wall

that's your idea of mature? :lol

Jealous of what?

hahahahha harrytroll, gtfo