Skytrain is out

[Tapioca]

Mugen Evolution:

Your experience with transit sucks because you live in Coquitlam which is a city full of big lots and spread out housing. I live in Burnaby (basically Vancouver) and transit in my area is quite good.

If you ran a private transportation company, would it make sense for me to run buses to your subdivision on a hill every 5 minutes, or would it make sense for me to run those buses to people who live in close apartment buildings instead? That's why Translink service, for you, sucks.

Maybe it's time to move away from home and closer to work, eh?

[impulseX]

i got lucky, skytrain just started working normally again around 11:40ish am. was still a good 15 mins late for work but better than what others had to endure. sadly, it was a day where i worked in dt and not in qe park

[CP.AR]

Originally Posted by Graeme S

How come every form of mass transit has at least one fail every year?



You have a choice. You make it. Deal with it.

it's an annual ritual to keep the transit gods happy

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN

because i refuse to rack up my milleage and put 30k on my car on a annual basis

like someone said, at least you have a choice.
stop crying.

on a similar note, i rather have skytrain fail on me every couple months than taking buses that are never on time AND have infrequent service.

[MelonBoy]

^ Agreed.. early morning today i went to the bus stop downtown and my #17 was like 30minutes late.. unless the one i was catching came by early.. but then it would have been at least 10minutes early cause i got to the stop 10-15mins before it was suppose to be there..

The night buses are fucked up too.... >.>

But anyways Mugen has a small point.. I guess.. I mean if you were to compare our transit to other transit systems.. (ex. HK) Our system is childs play.. its like a bunch of retards are managing it.. seriously

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by MelonBoy

But anyways Mugen has a small point.. I guess.. I mean if you were to compare our transit to other transit systems.. (ex. HK) Our system is childs play.. its like a bunch of retards are managing it.. seriously

And do you happen to live in a 500 square foot apartment on top of a shopping centre?

There is a lot of things wrong with Translink, but comparing the MTR to our system is like comparing apples and oranges.

[Graeme S]

Originally Posted by MelonBoy

^ Agreed.. early morning today i went to the bus stop downtown and my #17 was like 30minutes late.. unless the one i was catching came by early.. but then it would have been at least 10minutes early cause i got to the stop 10-15mins before it was suppose to be there..

I fail to understand how missing a single bus for the 17 would put you 30 minutes behind; even if you were taking the very first bus at 5:30, the 17 runs every 15 minutes in the way early morning, and then every 10 after. So unless the first one was early, and the second one didn't come, you might end up 30 minutes late.

The night buses are fucked up too.... >.>

The night-busses are very nearly empty and run routes that have the highest proportion of drunk/late-night workers running. They didn't exist a decade ago, and I suspect they lose money. In a private transit system, routes that lose money disappear.

Originally Posted by Tapioca

And do you happen to live in a 500 square foot apartment on top of a shopping centre?

There is a lot of things wrong with Translink, but comparing the MTR to our system is like comparing apples and oranges.

Thank you.

Density of Hong Kong: 6460/km^2

Density of Metro Vancouver: 735.6/km^2

For people saying that the density of Vancouver proper is different, or "we shouldn't be using Metro Vancouver", this is the way the transit system is organized. Don't like it? Start talking to the government about organizing local transit.

But if you think transit in Coquitlam is bad now, while it's being subsidized by Vancouver transit users...wait 'til it's on its own.

[anti_rice]

people exaggerate the times when a bus is late. It's always "30 minutes late" when it's been 15 minutes. I've heard passengers say they've been waiting for the bus for 20 minutes and i can see the bus infront on the top of the hill ahead.
Transit riders have failed to realize a bus schedule is estimated time. If you drive a car, can you leave your house at 8:00am on the dot and get to your destination at exactly 8:45 every morning? NO you can't. sometimes you'll be early and sometimes you'll be late. So why is taking the bus any different?

[TRD Rs200]

yea, I saw that mess at 22nd station on my way to school, took the next 410 back home, and called it a day

[muteki]

Originally Posted by anti_rice

people exaggerate the times when a bus is late. It's always "30 minutes late" when it's been 15 minutes. I've heard passengers say they've been waiting for the bus for 20 minutes and i can see the bus infront on the top of the hill ahead.
Transit riders have failed to realize a bus schedule is estimated time. If you drive a car, can you leave your house at 8:00am on the dot and get to your destination at exactly 8:45 every morning? NO you can't. sometimes you'll be early and sometimes you'll be late. So why is taking the bus any different?

Have you taken transit outside of BC?
There are countries with transit running on time on the dot.

[hk20000]

Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN

because i refuse to rack up my milleage and put 30k on my car on a annual basis

otherwise you think i would wonna take this shit system?
30 minutes for a bus 1hr on weekend

pfff

just buy a beater for $1000 and stop bitching about it. (if you have parking at work that is)

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

i do, i get free parking

[OhSoGood]

Originally Posted by anti_rice

people exaggerate the times when a bus is late. It's always "30 minutes late" when it's been 15 minutes. I've heard passengers say they've been waiting for the bus for 20 minutes and i can see the bus infront on the top of the hill ahead.
Transit riders have failed to realize a bus schedule is estimated time. If you drive a car, can you leave your house at 8:00am on the dot and get to your destination at exactly 8:45 every morning? NO you can't. sometimes you'll be early and sometimes you'll be late. So why is taking the bus any different?

I leave for school 40 minutes before class everyday. Get there the same time EVERYDAY. Regardless of traffic or weather. Even with the retarded construction going on 41st.

Another example. I leave for work 5 minutes before my shift. And I always get there on time.

Transit will never be as reliable as a car

[anti_rice]

Originally Posted by SimplyComplex

Have you taken transit outside of BC?
There are countries with transit running on time on the dot.

I have taken transit in the US and other provinces in canada but not out of this continent. I can tell you the buses are not on time they are always a few minutes late. Service is also an hour long wait and last bus for certain routes end around 4pm.

If you are trying to compare transit in BC or North America to some Asian country then it's not even a fair comparison. There's so many economic growth in other countries that we don't have here in canada. Infrastructure is completely different from this country to others.

[MelonBoy]

Originally Posted by Graeme S

I fail to understand how missing a single bus for the 17 would put you 30 minutes behind; even if you were taking the very first bus at 5:30, the 17 runs every 15 minutes in the way early morning, and then every 10 after. So unless the first one was early, and the second one didn't come, you might end up 30 minutes late.



The night-busses are very nearly empty and run routes that have the highest proportion of drunk/late-night workers running. They didn't exist a decade ago, and I suspect they lose money. In a private transit system, routes that lose money disappear.




Thank you.

Density of Hong Kong: 6460/km^2

Density of Metro Vancouver: 735.6/km^2

For people saying that the density of Vancouver proper is different, or "we shouldn't be using Metro Vancouver", this is the way the transit system is organized. Don't like it? Start talking to the government about organizing local transit.

But if you think transit in Coquitlam is bad now, while it's being subsidized by Vancouver transit users...wait 'til it's on its own.

Got to the stop at 5:45 -> theres suppose to be a bus at 5:48am, 6:02am, 6:17.

Ok say the first bus was early and i missed it?, where did the 6:02 bus go. I got on the bus at 6:15.. I know this because im very keen on getting to work early and dont like to be late. (Transit says I can get to work in an hour, but i ussualy give an hour and a half to travel... My arrive time usually varies from 10minutes to 30minutes early).


Anyways the structural build of the transit is fine with me, the thing the bugs me is how its taking them an additional 3 years to put in turn stalls. When they should have done this years ago. This point would be ok if they would stop complaining about how they dont got enough money, yet they keep giving their employee's some fat raises each year.



Im just ranting though

[goo3]

Originally Posted by MelonBoy

Anyways the structural build of the transit is fine with me, the thing the bugs me is how its taking them an additional 3 years to put in turn stalls. When they should have done this years ago. This point would be ok if they would stop complaining about how they dont got enough money, yet they keep giving their employee's some fat raises each year.

LOL ppl complain when there's no turnstiles and ppl complain when they plan to put them in:

The real story of course is that Premier Campbell’s political crony, Ken Dobell, acted as a lobbyist for Cubit Industries who are putting in the turnstiles at SkyTrain stations. In what amounts to massive overkill, a $171 million turnstile system with about $15 million annual operating costs, to deter an approximately $4.38 annual loss due to fare evasion. This is shear lunacy. What many people do not realize, a good portion of fare evasion is ‘soft’ ridership or transit users who probably will not use bus or SkyTrain if they have to pay!

http://railforthevalley.wordpress.co...lion-annually/

[Graeme S]

I feel you brother. I sometimes wait 20 minutes for a 135 only to have two of them chasing after each other.

I used to be able to catch a 160 express but they stopped them from letting people on in Burnaby.


Yet after all this, I still defend translink. Why?

I live on top of Capitol hill. Time once was we had a 137 Capitol Hill bus. It went between Kootenay Loop and Capitol hill. Then there weren't enough people, so it became the 130/137 Metrotown/kootenay loop. Then there weren't enough people, so it became the C2.


In a privatized system, this bus would have been eliminated a decade ago. Instead, Translink looked for alternate methods of keeping it alive, knowing that it was consistently used, if less than other routes.


While the logic of the system is not always logical to us, it does make a great deal of sense. I'm not saying it's perfect--and it's far from perfect in places like Surrey. But at the same time, the way that surrey is spread out and not centralizing into apartment buildings--it's no surprise there's not as heavy a transit presence.

As far as turnstiles go, I'm in favour of them. A great deal of the cost of them is redesigning the stations for the turnstiles so that you can create choke points. For me, the biggest benefit is the intangible of security. With security/transit cops watching for fare evaders, it will slowly lose its reputation as the "crimetrain", with people committing a crime near a station, then hopping on to escape. We'll also avoid all the detritus that floats around the system and shites up the place.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by anti_rice

people exaggerate the times when a bus is late. It's always "30 minutes late" when it's been 15 minutes. I've heard passengers say they've been waiting for the bus for 20 minutes and i can see the bus infront on the top of the hill ahead.
Transit riders have failed to realize a bus schedule is estimated time. If you drive a car, can you leave your house at 8:00am on the dot and get to your destination at exactly 8:45 every morning? NO you can't. sometimes you'll be early and sometimes you'll be late. So why is taking the bus any different?

If you take transit almost everyday you would know what melon_boy have said isn't out of this world. You get unlucky with bus drivers that never come...and you know this cause you're at that bus stop at least 5min before it's estimated time so you know they can't have come earlier. You wait like 25 minutes and 2 buses decide to show up at the same time. Great..10 minutes late for work.

Then you get bus drivers that come pick you up 5 minutes late and you know it's not due to traffic cause the stop before your's is the bus loop. Why not take longer breaks right? Most stops are estimated, but the departure time at bus loop and arrival time at the terminus station are supposed to be on the dot.

I think what pisses me off the most is that I live in the city proper, not suburbs. There should be more buses heading into the largest bus hub in this city (UBC) during non-peak hours (noon..evenings before 10pm.. not 6pm). 30 minute evening service are unacceptable for major routes like 41st and king ed cause not everyone gets on. The structure of our transit is messed up...keep increasing the fees and it seems like bus service in the city proper just keeps getting worse (exception of canada line). It's craptastic enough as it is in the city...i wonder how the folks that lives in the 'burbs have to deal with bus drivers arriving late on a one hour service...but again if you live in the burbs you probably rent/bought your place with a vehicle in consideration.

[Kingcong89]

I remember when this happend at Scott Road Station. It was so packed, and late and I think it was a Friday, like 4 fights broke out. There were cops there but it seems they couldn't do much.

[MelonBoy]

Originally Posted by goo3

LOL ppl complain when there's no turnstiles and ppl complain when they plan to put them in:



http://railforthevalley.wordpress.co...lion-annually/

Assuming that $15million was to pay employees to be stationed at each station..

You have to minus the cost of transit police/police.. im sure they spend at least 5mil on them a year no problem.. (Transit police get paid fat money and police officers of course make good dough too)

Anyways I for one am not complaining about adding in the turnstiles, they will make me not feel like shit when I take transit for 1 month and dont even get checked once.. >.>

[goo3]

I actually like not having turnstiles. It's easier than digging into my wallet for my pass each time. Yes, easier than RF smart cards lol.

Either way, as long as everyone understands that $171 million turnstiles are a money loser and not a money maker like a lot of ppl think it is.. At least support it for true reasons - not made up ones - is all I'm trying to get at.

[RC0310_EJ]

Skytrain is fucked up again... Single lane running both Richmond and Waterfront... Avoid taking skytrain this morning to work!!!!
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[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^
was fine when i came in around 7

[Graeme S]

If we're gonna start posting skytrain updates, we should think about distinguishing Canada, Millenium, and Expo lines.
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[Edison_Chen]

Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN

^
was fine when i came in around 7

I arrived at the River Rock stop just @ 655 ish.. and it was packed up there.. Single track for both ways (to RC and Waterfront). Then about a few minutes later, it was back to normal..