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Acuracura 11-19-2010 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7194050)
The police already use a 0.099 BAC for a DUI rather than 0.080 BAC cause of the margins of error and wanting to make sure they have a strong case for a criminal conviction. If the margin of error is ~0.01, people with 0.109 BAC are getting off with just a warning.

I'm well aware of calibrated settings to ASD Alco-Sensor IV DWF. Thanks.

misteranswer 11-20-2010 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Acuracura (Post 7193946)
The margin of error can work in favour of the driver as well. People who should have warned could have got a pass. Things work both ways even though the article doesn't explain that.

People who should have failed could have got a warned. That could have been you, maybe it saved you from a 90 day prohibition...

"better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"

taylor192 11-21-2010 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by asahai69 (Post 7194153)
Its closer to 5 cans

Depends where you are drinking.

Cans/bottles are 12oz
Restaurant pints can be 16 or 20 oz.

3 20oz pints (60) would be about 5 regular beers (62).
3 16oz pints (48) would be about 4 regular beers (48).

taylor192 11-21-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Acuracura (Post 7194479)
I'm well aware of calibrated settings to ASD Alco-Sensor IV DWF. Thanks.

I wasn't criticizing your post, just adding more info to it for others. :thumbsup:

Tim Budong 11-28-2010 02:32 AM

So I ended up blowing 0.001....
Said so by the machine..and I did it twice...
I got a 24hr suspension cuz I had a slight scent of alcohol

Cop said no fine as its a warning..but a 24hr suspension must be given. Basically I get a goddamn record for being legal.

I can't get my impound fees back, I'm sure of that, can I dispute this warning as I felt I was treated unfairly by the officer who gave me the test?

To be fair and truthful, I told him I had a beer 3hrs b4, and he asked me if I was aware of the new laws so I answered that I was very aware of the consequences of DUI. He even said thanks for being cooporative and for understanding the seriousness of the new laws.

To close, is there anyways I can dispute this warning?
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originalhypa 11-28-2010 07:14 AM

Sad to hear that.
One question though, are you an "N" driver darthchili?

RiceIntegraRS 11-28-2010 09:31 AM

The absolute only way this is not disputable is if u are an N driver. If ur not this is the biggest load of BS.

Tim Budong 11-28-2010 09:56 AM

Not an N driver
It felt like the cops were pullin everyone aside. 7cars pulled over to be exact. These weren't urr typical rcmp performing the block, clearly said transit something on the side of the cars
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RiceIntegraRS 11-28-2010 10:45 AM

what the hell? somethings not right here. I would of completely lost it on the cop if i was in your position. Maybe since u were being soo cooperative thats why he thought he could just run u over, and give u this "warning" which leads to ur car being impounded. I have a friend whose argued his way out of many tickets, and ive honestly done it myself aswell when cops "try" to issue me tickets when i didnt deserve them.

Tim Budong 11-28-2010 10:59 AM

what isnt right is what the cop did
I guess all those reports in which drivers are being wrongfully targeted is true. What i find odd was that I asked for a copy or warning ticket of some sort aside from the 24hr suspension ticket, in which he claimed that was all it was required. I called up the RCMP just now and they say its the officer's discretion to issue an impound/warning if he believes its the right thing to do. In which i can dispute and most likely win to have the record removed.

The fact that i was pulled over along with 7 other vehicles already proves the fact that the officer out on patrol was out to serve tickets like no tomorrow.

asahai69 11-28-2010 11:15 AM

these new laws are hilarious.

Lomac 11-28-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by darthchilli (Post 7206327)
So I ended up blowing 0.001....
Said so by the machine..and I did it twice...
I got a 24hr suspension cuz I had a slight scent of alcohol

Cop said no fine as its a warning..but a 24hr suspension must be given. Basically I get a goddamn record for being legal.

I can't get my impound fees back, I'm sure of that, can I dispute this warning as I felt I was treated unfairly by the officer who gave me the test?

To be fair and truthful, I told him I had a beer 3hrs b4, and he asked me if I was aware of the new laws so I answered that I was very aware of the consequences of DUI. He even said thanks for being cooporative and for understanding the seriousness of the new laws.

To close, is there anyways I can dispute this warning?
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WTF? That's messed up!

Ludepower 11-28-2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by darthchilli (Post 7206513)
what isnt right is what the cop did
I guess all those reports in which drivers are being wrongfully targeted is true. What i find odd was that I asked for a copy or warning ticket of some sort aside from the 24hr suspension ticket, in which he claimed that was all it was required. I called up the RCMP just now and they say its the officer's discretion to issue an impound/warning if he believes its the right thing to do. In which i can dispute and most likely win to have the record removed.

The fact that i was pulled over along with 7 other vehicles already proves the fact that the officer out on patrol was out to serve tickets like no tomorrow.

ive never heard a story like this before...why did you bend over backwards...u clearly blew under...in this situation ur allowed to rage back.

zulutango 11-28-2010 11:40 AM

If the reading was 0.001 and there were no other grounds of impairment, I cannot see how a 215 suspension was issued legally? A reading of 0.001 would show as a "pass", not a 'warn". The appropriate reading level for issuing a 215 is between .05 and 0.8 Both tests showed the same miniscule readings and you still got a 215? Did he explain why he was issuing the suspension when both readings showed your were not in the 215 suspension catagory? Something is missing from this picture?? IF this was the case 100% accurately, then you should contact SMVB and contest the suspension. Personally I have never seen a reading that low on anyone I ever tested.

Tim Budong 11-28-2010 03:02 PM

RCMP has told me to call back monday
His reasoning for towing my car was that I shouldn't be drinking and driving and under current weather conditions in which he claimed was icy. Im just going to wait till monday to resolve this matter. I'm really curious what happened to the other vehicles as well. Does the Breathalyzer need to be calibrated everytime it is used on a suspect?

Regardless, was there suppose to be another slip that stats that I have a warning? or is that 24hr suspension slip the only thing?

zulutango 11-28-2010 07:06 PM

Your story is becoming stranger as it unfolds? I think you should be talking to a lawyer about what happened as there are more twists & turns in it than the S2S. The RSD ( it is not a breathalizer) is checked every two weeks, or at least the ones I used were. If the calibration needs to be adjusted at that time, then it is. I'm not sure what you mean about a warning...the 215 impoundment form and DL suspension papers should explain what happened. If you have questions then by all means talk to a lawyer. You should be taking this off line, out of the public domain.

Acuracura 11-28-2010 08:31 PM

do you have a class 5 or class 7 licence?

Graeme S 11-28-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Acuracura (Post 7207232)
do you have a class 5 or class 7 licence?

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Originally Posted by darthchilli (Post 7206446)
Not an N driver

Read plox thx

originalhypa 11-29-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by zulutango (Post 7206560)
you should contact SMVB and contest the suspension.

You know, this sort of thing wasn't necessary back when we WERE FUCKING INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!!


just sayin'

adambomb 11-29-2010 10:01 AM

When an police officer asks you if you've had anything to drink...

Always say NO!!!!!


Don't tell them you had 1 beer, 2 hours ago or a glass of wine with dinner or that you did 2 shots of vodka before returing to the scene of an accident.

ALWAYS SAY NO!! :grinno:

Mugen EvOlutioN 11-29-2010 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthchilli (Post 7206327)
So I ended up blowing 0.001....
Said so by the machine..and I did it twice...
I got a 24hr suspension cuz I had a slight scent of alcohol

Cop said no fine as its a warning..but a 24hr suspension must be given. Basically I get a goddamn record for being legal.

I can't get my impound fees back, I'm sure of that, can I dispute this warning as I felt I was treated unfairly by the officer who gave me the test?

To be fair and truthful, I told him I had a beer 3hrs b4, and he asked me if I was aware of the new laws so I answered that I was very aware of the consequences of DUI. He even said thanks for being cooporative and for understanding the seriousness of the new laws.

To close, is there anyways I can dispute this warning?
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WHOA WAT A PILE OF BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:bullshit:

jmvdesign 11-29-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by adambomb (Post 7207718)
When an police officer asks you if you've had anything to drink...

Always say NO!!!!!


Don't tell them you had 1 beer, 2 hours ago or a glass of wine with dinner or that you did 2 shots of vodka before returing to the scene of an accident.

ALWAYS SAY NO!! :grinno:

I had 1 beer with my dinner just 2 hrs prior to driving. I hit a roadblock and the cop waived me to stop. He shoved his whole head through the driver side window and went up real close to my face and asked me if I had any drinks prior. I obviously said "NO" in a very loud/annoyed voice and he let me through.

General rule is exactly this, just always say no. No reason to be overly cooperative and explain your whole life story mentioning how you've had 1 drink 3-4-5-6 hrs before you drove.

Mugen EvOlutioN 11-29-2010 10:34 AM

^

what IF they smell the beer in ur breathe, and you said NO. HE found out u are lying...than ....what happens???


wouldnt that piss them off that you lied to him? and making the cop trust no one?

tool001 11-29-2010 11:28 AM

i passed thru road block 2 weeks ago, had some to drink, 2 bottle of sake, among 4 of us. Cops asked if i had some to drink, i said yes, "couple of shots" he asked how long ago. i said "2-3 hours back"

he said "u should be ok" and waved me thru. i wasn't tipsy or buzzed. i think a well trained cop would be able to pickup if somebody was without breathlizer and would have pulled me over to test.

i fit the "discription" but i've never been stopped or pulled over so far.. :p

asahai69 11-29-2010 11:46 AM

^ wtf really? if i said that they woulda made me get out right away and probably call for back up like im some sorta criminal

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Originally Posted by originalhypa (Post 7207623)
You know, this sort of thing wasn't necessary back when we WERE FUCKING INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!!


just sayin'

heres a preview of the RCMP/VPD new uniform

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t-Dy2G2jvC...lone-dredd.jpg


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