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sonick 10-20-2010 08:31 PM

BMW M10 F1 engine video (1350hp from 1.5l turbo)
 
PART 1: http://videos.howstuffworks.com/disc...rger-video.htm

PART 2: http://videos.howstuffworks.com/disc...ower-video.htm

This is crazy. In the 70's BMW built their F1 engines out of passenger car engine blocks that were at least 100k kilometers used, then strapped in giant turbos to get 900+ horsepower per litre...

Amazing how much boost these blocks handled.

donjalapeno 10-20-2010 08:47 PM

thats so sick....good watch

maxx 10-20-2010 08:56 PM

small wonder all BMWs are solid

TL_99 10-20-2010 09:06 PM

ah ic, so there is hope for my honda fit. LOL

spyker 10-20-2010 09:27 PM

The heat cycling of everyday driving from the production car engines made the engine blocks very strong.

F1 turbo era,even today,it's still considered the pinnacle of F1 technology.

KiDEclipse 10-20-2010 09:40 PM

Hahah Thats Rimmer from in Red Dwarf

Jackygor 10-20-2010 10:05 PM

So how did they get rid of the turbo lag?

k3lv 10-20-2010 10:06 PM

thanks for the link, that was very enjoyable to watch

JoshuaWong 10-20-2010 10:21 PM

Here are list of other turbo engines from the monstor turbo era.

* Alfa Romeo V8 1.5 L Turbo, V8 3.0 L, Flat-12 3.0 L and V12 3.0 L
* BMW M12 inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
* BRM H16 3.0 L and V12 3.0 L
* Coventry Climax V8 3.0 L (modified FPE engine; one race in the Shannon F1 car)
* Ferrari V6 1.5 L Turbo, V12 3.0 L and Flat-12 3.0 L
* Ford V6 1.5 L Turbo and V8 3.0 L (derived from the 4.2 L Indy Car engine)
* Ford Cosworth DFV V8 3.0 L and DFY V8 3.0 L
* Hart inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
* Honda V12 3.0 L, V8 3.0 L air-cooled and V6 1.5 L Turbo
* Maserati V12 3.0 L
* Matra V12 3.0 L
* Motori Moderni V6 1.5 Turbo
* Repco V8 3.0 L
* Renault Gordini V8 (never raced) 3.0 L and Gordini V6 1.5 L Turbo
* Serenissima V8 3.0 L
* TAG-Porsche V6 1.5 L Turbo
* Tecno Flat-12 3.0 L
* Weslake V12 3.0 L
* Zakspeed inline-4 1.5 L Turbo

The power range was between 390 hp (290 kW) to 500 hp (370 kW), turbos 500 hp (370 kW) to 900 hp (670 kW) in race, in qualifying up to 1,500 hp (1,120 kW).

Y2K_o__o 10-20-2010 10:53 PM

old engine blocks can take HUGE power because at that time engineers didn't know much about cyclic loading / fatigue so they made it with a huge safety factor

nowadays all engine block are optimized to their limits ( minimize material while producing the same power ), there aren't much room for us to turbo it anymore

Leopold Stotch 10-21-2010 03:17 AM

does anyone know why they'd choose to use such small displacements with those turbos?

JoshuaWong 10-21-2010 04:48 AM

I remember there used to be an interview with those turbo era driver a while ago and they said they could break traction in the rear wheels going 150mph+ in 5th gear down the straights if they put their down suddenly. Such is the power...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/...ba2be4eb_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/...6d68437e_o.jpg

1BADMR2 10-21-2010 06:50 AM

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mpr 10-21-2010 07:50 AM

Insane!!

:rofl:

honda guys out there. get a 100K mile b18 block in an open junk yard and piss all over it. slap a turbo. 1000+ hp!!

sonick 10-21-2010 07:51 AM

Pee > vtak

spyker 10-21-2010 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpr (Post 7154226)
Insane!!

:rofl:

honda guys out there. get a 100K mile b18 block in an open junk yard and piss all over it. slap a turbo. 1000+ hp!!

This only applies to cast iron blocks,not aluminum blocks.

spyker 10-21-2010 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leopold Stotch (Post 7154156)
does anyone know why they'd choose to use such small displacements with those turbos?

Smaller displacement engines meant the teams could take advantage of the rules.Lighter car with small engine making big power = winning combination.

sonick 10-21-2010 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leopold Stotch (Post 7154156)
does anyone know why they'd choose to use such small displacements with those turbos?

Videos said F1 regulations back then limited turbocharged engines to 1.5l, and naturally aspirated engines to 3.0l.

Phil@rise 10-21-2010 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leopold Stotch (Post 7154156)
does anyone know why they'd choose to use such small displacements with those turbos?

Because the rules stipulated maximum of 1.5 liters if force fed and 3.0 liters if N/A.
I find i funny that BMW left the blocks outside to weather for a year and were rumoured to piss on em as well. Rolls Royce did the same thing for all their engines road going racing and aircraft.

Mugen EvOlutioN 10-21-2010 09:23 AM

tat is crazy

Leopold Stotch 10-21-2010 11:24 AM

lol after i wrote my post, i looked at all the engines Joshuawong posted and i was like, okay there's a pattern hahah.

Jackygor 10-21-2010 11:48 AM

The F1 video is fawken insane, sparks flying in your face in excess of 100 mph ftw!!

Redlines_Daily 10-21-2010 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshuaWong (Post 7153965)
Here are list of other turbo engines from the monstor turbo era.

* Alfa Romeo V8 1.5 L Turbo, V8 3.0 L, Flat-12 3.0 L and V12 3.0 L
* BMW M12 inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
* BRM H16 3.0 L and V12 3.0 L
* Coventry Climax V8 3.0 L (modified FPE engine; one race in the Shannon F1 car)
* Ferrari V6 1.5 L Turbo, V12 3.0 L and Flat-12 3.0 L
* Ford V6 1.5 L Turbo and V8 3.0 L (derived from the 4.2 L Indy Car engine)
* Ford Cosworth DFV V8 3.0 L and DFY V8 3.0 L
* Hart inline-4 1.5 L Turbo
* Honda V12 3.0 L, V8 3.0 L air-cooled and V6 1.5 L Turbo
* Maserati V12 3.0 L
* Matra V12 3.0 L
* Motori Moderni V6 1.5 Turbo
* Repco V8 3.0 L
* Renault Gordini V8 (never raced) 3.0 L and Gordini V6 1.5 L Turbo
* Serenissima V8 3.0 L
* TAG-Porsche V6 1.5 L Turbo
* Tecno Flat-12 3.0 L
* Weslake V12 3.0 L
* Zakspeed inline-4 1.5 L Turbo

The power range was between 390 hp (290 kW) to 500 hp (370 kW), turbos 500 hp (370 kW) to 900 hp (670 kW) in race, in qualifying up to 1,500 hp (1,120 kW).

Can someone educate me a bit here..why would they make a 3.0L V12? Are there advantages to having the same displacement over more cylinders? Why not a 3.0L V8 or V6..seems to me that it would require less material and less weight. Or is there more reliability when there is less combustion per cylinder?

Jackygor 10-21-2010 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeremy_888 (Post 7154507)
Can someone educate me a bit here..why would they make a 3.0L V12? Are there advantages to having the same displacement over more cylinders? Why not a 3.0L V8 or V6..seems to me that it would require less material and less weight. Or is there more reliability when there is less combustion per cylinder?

From what I remember V12 is the best engine configuration in terms of balance.

sonick 10-21-2010 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackygor (Post 7154508)
From what I remember V12 is the best engine configuration in terms of balance.

V12 and I6 are the only two standard engines that have perfect primary and secondary harmonic balance -- i.e., the motions withstood by the engine and the crank, as well as the high order derivatives of those motions, are balanced.

On the other hand, An I4 has the greatest harmonic imbalance, and often require balance shafts and other tricks to keep from shaking the engine to pieces.


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