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Old 10-29-2010, 02:55 PM   #26
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yeah it has nothing to do with video game 4 sure , hopefully these punks get what they deserve
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These sick fucking kids, you'd wonder how these motherfuckers grew up to be psycho pieces of shits.. I hope they enjoy getting tortured in jail.. i definitely hope they burn in hell for this..
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These sick fucking kids, you'd wonder how these motherfuckers grew up to be psycho pieces of shits..

One of the guys father murdered a teen girl or something too (heard it on ctv)


also the 16yr old guy dated the girl its his ex and he lured her out saying he wanted to apologize and explain why they've been nagging her
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That's just completely messed up, hope these kids get a good ass pounding in prison.
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One of the guys father murdered a teen girl or something too (heard it on ctv)


also the 16yr old guy dated the girl its his ex and he lured her out saying he wanted to apologize and explain why they've been nagging her
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According to the agreed statement of facts, Proctor knew her killers through school. In the summer and fall of 2009, Proctor had dated one of the 16-year-old's best friends.
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This.

The kids killed her because she turned them both down.
they killed her because they are broken individuals. if you've dreamed about killing someone consistently since you're a child, you are broken.

and unlike television, broken people like this do not turn into dexter. they turn into these 2 pieces of shit.
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lol the game had nothing to do with it..
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they killed her because they are broken individuals. if you've dreamed about killing someone consistently since you're a child, you are broken.

and unlike television, broken people like this do not turn into dexter. they turn into these 2 pieces of shit.
my comments were based on the article i read on this in the province.
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So........ the only connection to WoW is that it was used for "instant messaging"?

What's the OP trying to point out with the "suggestive" titling?
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he admitted it over wow

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Why would he tell anyone about it?

The girl is lucky that he didn't kill her after he confessed.
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She dated one of the boys briefly during the winter of 2009, but there had been no email contact with her after November of that year.

The court was told that the day before Proctor went missing, the 16-year-old boy emailed her saying he wanted to meet to apologize and explain why he and the other boy "were so mean to her lately." They agreed to meet the next morning.

The 16-year-old then sent email messages to his accomplice, outlining their plan to lure Proctor to his house the next day, March 18, where they would sexually assault her, kill her, then burn and dispose of her body.


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I hate how video games are always the scapegoats nowadays.

I won't be surprised if one day - a kid commits suicide or some shit like that, and it gets related to like Mavis Beacon teaches typing or something.
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it's sad that things like this happen but these those kids will go to jail & worst is if they every get out, no matter how they try society will never want them again & they just end up dying

happen to a killer in east where he got out of jail & then wanted to go back cuz no one welcomed him anymore
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well no shit, would you really want them around ur area?

i thought gettin my car stolen was my biggest worries
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Apparently raping and killing teenage girls is hereditary for the 16 year old kid:

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The father of one of the teenagers who murdered Kimberly Proctor is in jail for the brutal murder of a teen girl under similar circumstances, CTV News has learned.

The 16-year-old who pleaded guilty this week to raping, killing and then burning the body of the Vancouver Island teen was just a child when his father pleaded guilty to killing a teen girl.

Because the son is a young offender, neither he nor his father can be named, but the two killings were strikingly similar. Both girls were lured, beaten, bound, sexually assaulted, choked and killed.

In court this week, the boy said he had dreamed about killing someone since he was young, but offered no other reason for the murder.

Text messages between the son and his 18-year-old co-accused revealed that they had carefully planned the seduction and murder of 18-year-old Proctor.

On March 18, after declining the boys' advances, Proctor was lured to a home where her hands and ankles were duct taped. They stuffed a sock in her mouth and sexually assaulted her for hours.

A knife was used to mutilate her body and she eventually died. An autopsy revealed she couldn't breathe because of the tape over her mouth.

Proctor's body was placed in a freezer in the garage. The next day the teens carried her body in a duffel bag on a public bus to the Galloping Goose Trail near Colwood, where they lit her on fire.

The teen's charred body was found near a bridge on the trail.

In online chats, the boys admitted to a friend that they had picked Proctor because she was an easy target.

Crown prosecutors are asking for the two to be sentenced as adults. A youth sentence for the teens would mean a minimum jail term of 10 years without parole. This jumps to life with 25 years without parole as an adult.

The teenage killers are now undergoing psychiatric exams, and a judge will decide in March if they should be sentenced as adults.

‘Increased probability of violence' for children of murderers

Ray Corrado, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University, told CTV News that it's possible children could learn violence from their parents -- or that the aggression and impulse-control problems that lead to murder could be genetically linked.

"The research shows a strong link between a father's violence and criminality and the son's likelihood of criminality and violence," he said.

"You can't say that one causes the other, but there is an increased probability of violence when the father has a history of it."

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Killers have been sentenced to life. Parole eligibility in 10 years :P

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wo B.C. teenage boys who admitted to first-degree murder in the horrific death of Kimberly Proctor were sentenced as adults for their crimes Monday.

The boys' identities had been protected by a publication ban under stipulations in the Youth Criminal Justice Act. However, B.C. Supreme Court Judge Robert Johnston lifted the ban Monday.

Cameron Alexander Moffatt, 18, and Kruse Hendrick Wellwood, 17, were sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole for 10 years.

In handing down his sentence, Johnston said the boys should remain jailed for as long as possible due to the brutal nature of their crime, and the fact that they may never be rehabilitated.

In court, Johnston said both teens should be held responsible for the crime despite implicating each other following their arrests in June.

"Each of these young men has tended to minimize his participation," Johnston said. "It's not really possible to sort out the truth here. It is not safe to make any firm findings on the available evidence here."

But he said he found "each was a full and willing participant."

Last October, the boys pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and indignity to human remains after admitting to luring Proctor to a Victoria-area home and then sexually assaulting and killing her. The boys, then 16 and 17 years of age, then mutilated her body with a knife.

When the boys pleaded guilty last fall, Crown prosecutor Peter Juk read a five-page agreed statement of facts into the court record, which showed how the boys discussed, via text messages and online chats, how they would lure, rape and then kill Proctor.

After Proctor died, the boys stored her body in a freezer in the home's garage overnight. The next morning, the boys packed it into a duffle bag, boarded a bus and dumped it near the Galloping Goose trail in Colwood. Before leaving they set Proctor's body on fire.

Proctor's body was discovered later that day -- May 19, 2010 -- but it took three days to identify her remains. An autopsy showed the girl died of asphyxiation from duct tape that was placed over her mouth.

According to the agreed statement of facts, Proctor knew the boys through school and had communicated with both extensively via text and online. Proctor had previously rebuffed both boys' romantic overtures.

The day before her murder, Proctor agreed to meet the boys under the pretence they wanted to explain why they had recently been mean to her.

When they arrived at the 16-year-old's house, the boys bound Proctor's ankles and wrists, stuck a sock into her mouth and sexually assaulted her for hours.

Johnston told the court Monday that words could not adequately describe the inhumane way the boys treated Proctor and the suffering she endured.

The girl's parents, Fred and Lucia Proctor, were in court Monday and issued statements to reporters when the proceedings were over.

"I don't even like to call them animals because Kim was just such an animal lover," said Lucia Proctor. "To me, they're just monsters."

Fred Proctor said it is his hope that the boys do not get released from prison.

"These guys, these animals, aren't (able to be) rehabilitated," he said. "They deserve to die a long, slow, horrific, painful death."

Later Monday, details emerged that Wellwood's own father once killed a teenage girl.

In 2001, Wellwood was seven years old when his father, Robert Dezwaan, murdered 16-year-old Cherish Oppenheim.

After a 17-hour police interrogation, Dezwaan led investigators to the girl's body, which he had partially buried in a remote area near Merritt, B.C.

Dezwaan picked up Oppenheim at a gas station, the two had sex, and then he hit her on the head with a rock before strangling her from behind.

Dezwaan is still serving prison time for Oppenheim's murder.

Forensic psychologist Steven Hart of Simon Fraser University said his father's crime would have had an impact on Wellwood. However, even before his father's arrest, Wellwood exhibited violent behaviour such as setting fires and striking his mother.

"What's very clear from some of the research that's been done is there is a behavioural genetic contribution to crime or violent crime," Hart told CTV News."

"That we can see there is a family history of crime and violence, even when people are adopted away and raised by different parents."

Although they were sentenced as adults, Wellwood and Moffatt are eligible for parole after 10 years under provisions in the Youth Criminal Justice Act. However, a spokesperson for B.C.'s Criminal Justice Branch told The Canadian Press that there is no guarantee they will be granted parole and may very well remain jailed for life.
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majority of lifers don't apply @ the 10yr mark and those that do apply more than half of them don't get paroled

dont have the stats with me atm but... yeah
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They deserve the death penalty. Nothing can rehabilitate them - and even if they can who cares. They are useless to society. Crimes like this should lead to death. No questions asked. I'm sick of hearing about shit like this.
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majority of lifers don't apply @ the 10yr mark and those that do apply more than half of them don't get paroled

dont have the stats with me atm but... yeah
good, they should rott away in isolation..

sadly thats now how canadian prisons are. So now for the next 60-80 years we will be paying for these leaches to live. Now thats fucked up.
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they will be out in under 30 for sure, 30 years isnt exactly payment for such a heinous crime

somone who gets a fucked up sentance like this, the victims family will eventually come to court with a gun and either kill the murderer or end up dead themselves, and even then who knows if judges etc. will wake up
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you'll find even the USA is doing away with the Death Penalty with 16 states either with no death penalty or banning the death penalty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...2011-10-03.svg

and the other states actually sentencing less people to the death penalty and execution rates are dropping (even in texas)
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No they will come out in 25.

Canada is like that and depending if the conservative successfully get rid of stat release (which I disagree on) they will have a chance to come out even earlier
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