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11-06-2010, 06:25 PM
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| LED LCD VS LCD monitors
LED lcd costs a bit more than regular lcd monitors.
is there a significant difference to justify the price?
I went into ncix today, and i couldn't really tell the difference in the quality of the pictures from the two types of monitors.
*this is a comparison for current led lcd vs current lcd monitors.
obviously any current led lcd is going to be better than your 7-year-old lcd monitor.
and obviously future led technology is going to pwn..
but this comparison is for as of now..
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11-06-2010, 06:37 PM
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Get a non TNT panel.
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11-06-2010, 09:36 PM
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Power consumption is great...my gf's 19" LED LCD monitor only uses 16-18watts
and it is much brighter and sharper than my 2yrs old 24" LCD monitor.
I don't think anybody cares about the thickness or weight of them.
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11-06-2010, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by asian_XL  Power consumption is great...my gf's 19" LED LCD monitor only uses 16-18watts
and it is much brighter and sharper than my 2yrs old 24" LCD monitor.
I don't think anybody cares about the thickness or weight of them. |
you're comparing a 2-year-old lcd to a new led lcd...
hm... but the led initially costs more than the lcd... sooo... I dunno if I want to pay the same, but get a smaller screen size just for led..
to me right now.. I couldn't even tell the difference between led and non-led when i walked into ncix today..
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11-06-2010, 10:01 PM
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then get the non-LED one
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11-06-2010, 10:08 PM
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LED has the best contrast. Not quite as good as plasma but close. So you're getting the darkest blacks possible.
LCD doesn't even make black colour. When you see black on an LCD its actually the darkest grey it can produce.
LED is more energy efficient. It will last longer than an LCD.
LED generally produces a more richer, vibrant picture.
For a computer monitor I would go with LED if you're planning on gaming with it, or watching movies or photo editing.
edit: we have a 32" LED samsung and it looks just like the LCD's in the same size. I wonder if they share the same similarities that 720/1080 resolution has on 32" and smaller TV's, because of the size there isn't a significant difference at all. I wonder if LCD/LED same sort of concept. That being said, There is a significant difference once you compare a 46" LED to LCD because of teh overall larger picture.
Does that make any sense? lol
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11-06-2010, 10:19 PM
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#7 | | I am grateful grapefruit
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LED only has the best contrast if you're looking at a local dimming LED backlighting. Basically - they have a grid of LED's lighting the panel - and in areas of black - they will dim the LED's so the panel won't have to mask the light - thus producing a darker black.
quite a few tv's are Edge LED lit now, which do not always produce a better picture than a conventional CCFL lit LCD panel.
if you're looking at monitors, I don't think any monitors are local dimming - meaning that if you get an Edge LED Monitor, you're only paying for the thin design.
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11-06-2010, 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lol LED has the best contrast. Not quite as good as plasma but close. So you're getting the darkest blacks possible.
LCD doesn't even make black colour. When you see black on an LCD its actually the darkest grey it can produce.
LED is more energy efficient. It will last longer than an LCD.
LED generally produces a more richer, vibrant picture.
For a computer monitor I would go with LED if you're planning on gaming with it, or watching movies or photo editing.
edit: we have a 32" LED samsung and it looks just like the LCD's in the same size. I wonder if they share the same similarities that 720/1080 resolution has on 32" and smaller TV's, because of the size there isn't a significant difference at all. I wonder if LCD/LED same sort of concept. That being said, There is a significant difference once you compare a 46" LED to LCD because of teh overall larger picture.
Does that make any sense? lol | I'm going to basically use it to play sc2.
what other things should I look at?
is 5ms response time good enough?
and I don't really get the whole contrast ratio thing..
how can led be in the million to one ratio while lcd is much much lower?
my main concern between led and lcd is not really about the darkness of the black, but rather the fine line quality of the image.
you know when you go close up to some lcd monitors, the picture gets blurry and looks smudged.
would there be a difference if I choose a led monitor?
I'll probably get something between 21" to 23" max.
23" if I go lcd
21"-22" if I go led
due to the price difference.
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11-06-2010, 10:22 PM
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I know when I switched to an LED monitor (Samsung PX2370) I instantly noticed how absolutely black black is... It's gorgeous, I even use a pure black wallpaper  | |
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11-06-2010, 10:27 PM
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^ biggest advantage of LED imo.
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11-07-2010, 01:42 AM
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i bought a LED monitor just coz the color looks much more vibrant imo =\
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11-07-2010, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by orange7 to me right now.. I couldn't even tell the difference between led and non-led when i walked into ncix today.. | If you are looking at the cheap version of LED monitors you will not see a difference in colours, only in brightness.
There are different types of LED backlight displays (as GARS mentioned above):
1. RGB LED backlights, mainly found in TV's to enhance colours and blacks.
2. LED backlight with local dimming is the better more expensive monitors and TV's. Here the LED's in the black area's are turned off to make the blacks darker.
3. Then you have the cheaper version, which replaces the CCFL with a strip of LEDs. This is mainly used in notebooks and cheaper monitors. Here the LED's are not turned off and effectively the blacks will not be darker. Quote:
Originally Posted by orange7 my main concern between led and lcd is not really about the darkness of the black, but rather the fine line quality of the image.
you know when you go close up to some lcd monitors, the picture gets blurry and looks smudged. | LED's don't make a difference in the quality of the image, it's a light source.
Save your money and buy a monitor with an IPS panel. IPS-panels have better angles, colour reproduction and viewing consistency.
This is a lame example, which I will get flamed for. If you have seen the iPad or iPhone 4, those two devices have great displays. You can almost look at them at any angle and still see the image. They use IPS displays, you can't do that with a cheaper TN-panel.
Dell has some good IPS monitors and are a steal when on sale.
For $249, you will not find a better quality monitor at this price: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/prod...1&sku=320-9270 | |
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11-07-2010, 08:04 AM
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only worry about response time if its FPS games, other wise 5ms is fine.
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11-07-2010, 09:40 AM
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even then, you can look at reviews - response times for some IPS monitors can be as high as 6 or 8ms, but are still fine - even for gaming... unless you are a very hardcore gamer - then you might want to look at the 120Hz monitors.
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11-08-2010, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mrks If you are looking at the cheap version of LED monitors you will not see a difference in colours, only in brightness.
There are different types of LED backlight displays (as GARS mentioned above):
1. RGB LED backlights, mainly found in TV's to enhance colours and blacks.
2. LED backlight with local dimming is the better more expensive monitors and TV's. Here the LED's in the black area's are turned off to make the blacks darker.
3. Then you have the cheaper version, which replaces the CCFL with a strip of LEDs. This is mainly used in notebooks and cheaper monitors. Here the LED's are not turned off and effectively the blacks will not be darker.
LED's don't make a difference in the quality of the image, it's a light source.
| interesting argument..
Since I'm not looking into buying the high end stuff...
what would you recommend? The link you sent me has monitors that are way over what I want to spend.
I'm thinking somewhere between $0 to $150 (before taxes).
There are deals on ncix, so I'm pretty sure I can get monitors in the low 20's" screen size.
now with such a low budget, would you recommend led lcd or just regular lcd?
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11-10-2010, 09:31 PM
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i'm considering buying the acer led screen right now. selling point for me is it's thickness and weight since i'm planning to mount it using a desk mount to save space. i may wait till boxing day though and see if i can buy two or three. triple led monitor setup would be awesome  | |
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11-10-2010, 10:39 PM
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not sure about monitiors but for bigger TV's (50 inch +) if you get a LCD TV and if you are watching anything with fast action (Sports, action movies....) sometimes you might see shadows or the action seems to be lagging behind. Not sure about LED though.
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11-10-2010, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp not sure about monitiors but for bigger TV's (50 inch +) if you get a LCD TV and if you are watching anything with fast action (Sports, action movies....) sometimes you might see shadows or the action seems to be lagging behind. Not sure about LED though. |
I think that has to do with the response time, not whether it's led or not.
correct me if i'm wrong, I really don't know this stuff.
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11-10-2010, 11:48 PM
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Redflagdeals has an offer with dell... http://forums.redflagdeals.com/rfd-e...cd-hot-959430/
U2211H 22" IPS screen for $199. Amazing price for a great screen.
go get the coupon code on the link to get the savings.
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11-11-2010, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by orange7 I think that has to do with the response time, not whether it's led or not.
correct me if i'm wrong, I really don't know this stuff. | That's probably the refresh rate? edit: i can't see any computer monitor using refresh rate as a spec. So i would assume they go by response time.
but anyway, for TV
60 to 120hz = night and day
120 to 240hz = very little significance
Orange, from my understanding, LED can accomplish such dark blacks because the LED actually turns off in situations where absolute black is necessary. The LED itself can turn on and off so quickly vs conventional light (look at any cadillac bmw etc tail light for example). That is how LED can achieve such a high ratio.
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11-11-2010, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lol LED has the best contrast. Not quite as good as plasma but close. So you're getting the darkest blacks possible.
LCD doesn't even make black colour. When you see black on an LCD its actually the darkest grey it can produce.
LED is more energy efficient. It will last longer than an LCD.
LED generally produces a more richer, vibrant picture. | Something to remember: "LED" does not mean the LEDs produce the display... that's still an LCD. What they've done is replaced the fluorescent backlight with white LEDs (or as noted, RGB LEDs in some cases). The general display technology is the same.
My ASUS netbook has an LED screen, and it's clearly viewable even in direct sunlight (well, unless you get a straight reflection of the sun into your eyes!). As noted, it's also far more energy-efficient (helps my netbook get upwards of 8.5 hours of battery life). Using less energy, it also tends to run cooler.
More advanced screens will allow the LEDs to be turned on or off individually to produce better blacks. And anyone who's had a laptop for very long will know, CCFLs tend to dim over time - that doesn't happen with LEDs.
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