don't want to go college because of too many asians

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

Just to throw a curveball into the mix....

How do you feel about more than 50% of post secondary population being female, when they spend all this time and money getting degrees..... only for the majority of them to plan on having kids within 5-10 years of graduation?

Not a curveball at all. The shortage of doctors has been attributed to an increase in the amount of women that attend medical school. Some of these women either work fewer hours then men or they become full time mothers, which has created the shortage. I think the two solutions are:

1) As I proposed earlier, to reduce tuition subsidies. If women had to pay off large student loans, they would either work harder, or choose an alternative profession.

2) Increase capacity of professional programs that have a shortage of workers.

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

So the real intresting question is..... where are all these over educated women going to find suitable husbands? Since less than 50% of post secondary is female.... Surely they wouldn't settle for a blue collar....

Funny part is all that education but these women wont be able to handle the simple cooking/cleaning etc stuff that guys want in a wife.

So a blue collar guy marrying these chicks isn't going to do it for money because she's going to stop working.... so what kind of guy would want to marry these chicks and for what reason? To have "educated stimulating" conversation? I think not.

There's a high % of women that just do a bachelor of Arts since women have less abilities in Math and Science. They don't end up getting any better jobs than males without university degrees. I presume these couples woud pair up. It's the women in professional degrees that are looking for the smarter men.

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by RollingStone

Ever think that not everyone is obsessed with just money and stuff? People that get masters degrees (or higher education in general) do so for the intrinsic rewards as much (if not more so) than the expected material rewards.

We are not disputing WHY people choose to go to university. We are asking WHO should be burdened with funding these expensive university degrees. In the most egregious cases of abuse are the idiots who are unemployable but feel they are too good for a blue collar jobs and instead just spend their time in university/colleges in non-degree programs. These make up 1/3 of candidates that the government sponsors.


According to government statistics (http://www.cmec.ca/pages/canadawide.aspx)

In 2004-2005, the Canadian government spent $30.6 BLN in post-secondary education funding.

There were 1.5M enrolled students, including 1M in credit programns and 0.5M non-credit candidates.

If you run the Math, that means the govt. is spending about $20,000 per student per year. That's fairly similar to U.S. universities where the avg. cost is about USD $20-$25K / yr.

Is $20K per student per year a good value to society just for "intrinsic rewards"?

[Vinny G]

lol, don't bother Marco. All that idiot knows how to do is hit the fail button as if it even means anything.

[PJ]

This article made me lol

[Sid Vicious]

Originally Posted by Marco911

We are not disputing WHY people choose to go to university. We are asking WHO should be burdened with funding these expensive university degrees. In the most egregious cases of abuse are the idiots who are unemployable but feel they are too good for a blue collar jobs and instead just spend their time in university/colleges in non-degree programs. These make up 1/3 of candidates that the government sponsors.


According to government statistics (http://www.cmec.ca/pages/canadawide.aspx)

In 2004-2005, the Canadian government spent $30.6 BLN in post-secondary education funding.

There were 1.5M enrolled students, including 1M in credit programns and 0.5M non-credit candidates.

If you run the Math, that means the govt. is spending about $20,000 per student per year. That's fairly similar to U.S. universities where the avg. cost is about USD $20-$25K / yr.

Is $20K per student per year a good value to society just for "intrinsic rewards"?

you could honestly make that argument about any gov't funded program

the gov't spent $X amount on the military last year. is $X amount a good value to society for Y reason?

the gov't spent $X amount on health care last year. is $X amount a good value to society for Y reason?

in the cases above you can easily claim diminished use or benefit from gov't funded programs, and argue against the amount being spent. everyone has their own ideas and justifications what the gov't should spend their money on

[LiquidTurbo]

[Death2Theft]

Looks like Gatorade ran outta ammo and everyone else knows it's true.

[asian_XL]

didn't bother to read all 8 pages. Did they take international students into the account?

I am sure most of the asian students get their degree, then fly back immediately to their home land, just because tuition in Canada is relatively cheap and the school ranking is much higher than those asian local universities.

[snowball]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

Looks like Gatorade ran outta ammo and everyone else knows it's true.

Ran out of ammo? you kidding me? I didn't respond to you to in order to get you to change your mind. The point of my post was to present an alternate point of view to the discussion so that other readers are aware that your view is not the only one out there and not everyone needs to believe in the dominant discourse.

No matter what I say you're not going to change your mind anyways, and if you believe that society is best with your stay-at-home mothers and working fathers then let your decisions follow that path, but do not impose your beliefs on other people. If someone out there wants to waste their money on a useless university education, let them do it, and to say that they aren't even entitled to the chance to become doctors, or engineers just because they are women and may plan to have children in the future is not yours to decide. You can take away subsidies and maternity leaves if you want to create a situation you feel is "equitable" and make it harder to be a parent and have a career at the same time, but it won't stop many people from doing both.

You're entitled to your point of view and you choose to run your family the way you want to, but recognize that not everyone has the same values as you do.

[goo3]

we're not better off with half the population not working or getting edumacated

[m4k4v4li]

the only valid argument you made is that women are disadvantaged if they decide to have a child and consequently go into labor. everything else you stated is pretty much chauvinistic garbage you have been cultured to believe

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

So to all the single moms out there i'd like to say thank you for raising the next batch of criminals/strippers etc.
I'm saying single mothers should either think twice before they spread their legs or consider abortions when they are not in the right enviroment to raise kids.

Really? You're actually going to sit on that comment? This part is just asinine at it's best. To assume that all single moms come as a result of unwanted pregnancies is hugely stereotypical and vastly untrue.

[Death2Theft]

Whats more assasnine is to assume i said the word ALL. Sorry I meant majority, is that better? In none of my points do I state ALL it's generally or majority so cut and paste as needed.

Originally Posted by Lomac

Really? You're actually going to sit on that comment? This part is just asinine at it's best. To assume that all single moms come as a result of unwanted pregnancies is hugely stereotypical and vastly untrue.

[Death2Theft]

Ok as long as u admit that when it comes to the majority i'm generally right. Thx lah

Originally Posted by Gatorade

Ran out of ammo? you kidding me? I didn't respond to you to in order to get you to change your mind. The point of my post was to present an alternate point of view to the discussion so that other readers are aware that your view is not the only one out there and not everyone needs to believe in the dominant discourse.

No matter what I say you're not going to change your mind anyways, and if you believe that society is best with your stay-at-home mothers and working fathers then let your decisions follow that path, but do not impose your beliefs on other people. If someone out there wants to waste their money on a useless university education, let them do it, and to say that they aren't even entitled to the chance to become doctors, or engineers just because they are women and may plan to have children in the future is not yours to decide. You can take away subsidies and maternity leaves if you want to create a situation you feel is "equitable" and make it harder to be a parent and have a career at the same time, but it won't stop many people from doing both.

You're entitled to your point of view and you choose to run your family the way you want to, but recognize that not everyone has the same values as you do.

[Death2Theft]

How would it be chauvinistic? Did you get all emotoinally riled up and can't think straight? I've always said that women CAN be equal to men in a white collar profession if they *CHOSE* to be. Do the majority chose to be?

Originally Posted by 6chr0nic4

lmao death2theft you have your head so far up your ass im surprised gatorade even took the time to respond.

the only valid argument you made is that women are disadvantaged if they decide to have a child and consequently go into labor. everything else you stated is pretty much chauvinistic garbage you have been cultured to believe

[RFlush]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

So to all the single moms out there i'd like to say thank you for raising the next batch of criminals/strippers etc.
I'm saying single mothers should either think twice before they spread their legs or consider abortions when they are not in the right enviroment to raise kids.

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

Whats more assasnine is to assume i said the word ALL. Sorry I meant majority, is that better? In none of my points do I state ALL it's generally or majority so cut and paste as needed.

Why are you even in a thread about higher education when clearly not only is your own reading comprehension equivalent to a 5th grader, but your spelling and grammar is worse than a kid who has never been to school.

Do you even know what "assasnine" (asinine) means without having to google it?

[Death2Theft]

Your absolutely right I have no idea what asinine means and i'm not a 5th grader. I'm actually a first grader.
I thank ALL single moms doesn't mean that they ALL can't raise one proper kid between the lot of them. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
If this happens ever again keep in mind I mean "majority/generally".
So with that out of the way would you care to discuss with logic and facts, perhaps to the topic at hand at pointing out more errors in my statements? Thanks.

[taylor192]

I think playing the race card lost what the MacLeans article should have focused on: universities are career factories now, not institutions of higher learning.

What I mean is: if you work hard, stick your head in a book and memorize everything you can do very well at university. Worse, you expect a career afterwards for your hard work. Thus if you help out your fellow classmate you hinder your own job prospects later as they become your competition.

I saw this at Waterloo when I would visit my friends there. The university is soo competitive that many students spend a lot of time studying - alone. Grades are posted with class ranks on your transcript. Thus when applying for jobs afterwards, an employer will know where you rank amongst your peers. If you rank high, why would you want to help them in school, cause then they might out rank you.

I went to a school that was predominately Indian/Middle Eastern and the article would apply equally. So it is not just Asian, nor is it Indian, Middle Eastern, ... what it is that Universities have changed into career factories.

60% of young Canadians will attend college/university and struggle to get that piece of paper which will help them land a career, so it is no wonder university life supports that competitive lifestyle that some are finally realizing - sucks. I would have skipped university if I could have, yet I sadly needed that stupid piece of paper too.

University used to be about learning and finding yourself, now it is about memorizing and finding a job.

[Oleophobic]

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

Whats more assasnine is to assume i said the word ALL. Sorry I meant majority, is that better? In none of my points do I state ALL it's generally or majority so cut and paste as needed.

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

Ok as long as u admit that when it comes to the majority i'm generally right. Thx lah

Originally Posted by Death2Theft

How would it be chauvinistic? Did you get all emotoinally riled up and can't think straight? I've always said that women CAN be equal to men in a white collar profession if they *CHOSE* to be. Do the majority chose to be?

let me introduce you to this button:

use it

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by T.T

let me introduce you to this button:

use it

Relax dude, he's responding to different people, and his comments would be lost while quoting each of them.

Let me introduce you to this feature: http://www.revscene.net/forums/profi...?do=ignorelist
If you don't like his post style, just ignore him.

[darkfroggy]

Originally Posted by RFlush

Why are you even in a thread about higher education when clearly not only is your own reading comprehension equivalent to a 5th grader, but your spelling and grammar is worse than a kid who has never been to school.

Do you even know what "assasnine" (asinine) means without having to google it?

Run-on sentence. You also asked a question without ending in a question mark. Let me fix that for you, smarty:

"Why are you even in a thread about higher education? Not only is your reading comprehension equivalent to a 5th grader, but your spelling and grammar are worse than a kid who has never been to school."

How about you respond to his comments instead of nitpicking about stupid shit in a forum? All I've seen you do is hit the FAIL button with no points of your own.

[Oleophobic]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Relax dude, he's responding to different people, and his comments would be lost while quoting each of them.

Alright fine I won't get into a debate on whether or not comments will get lost when quoting 3 people. It just makes sense to me to use the multi button since the purpose of that button is for quoting multiple people (and responding) as opposed to making three separate posts, especially if the response is only 1 or 2 sentences long.

Don't mean to take this thread OT, sorry folks, carry on with the discussion.

[darkfroggy]

LOL RFlush running around and failing all my posts in random topics.

[Death2Theft]

Thats how u know the guys a crazy bitch. He fights with emotions instead of facts and since he can't address you directly, he has to get at u passively omg fail button kakak!