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=Nlkko;733592The Boss 302 weight less, have more hp, more torque than an M3. Can't commend on the handling but Mustang's handling has been vastly improved compare to the previous gen to the point that it's a completely different car now.
Guess you missed the Motor Trend track test where a Mustang GT beat an M3 around the track. Sure it was only 1/10th of a second, but it still went faster. And the M3 was equipped with the Competition Package.
I'm quite sure the Boss 302 will be significantly faster on the track than a GT, which also means it'll be quicker than an M3. Posted via RS Mobile
wonder if it will sell above msrp
They should really update the rear suspension, thinking its about time
The did try IRS systems in Cobras from 99-04, but they weren't great and they found that most owners were ripping them out to put in Live Axles for drag racing anyways.
Handles better than a cayman, and the test isn't based purely on numbers, but rather on feel. Damn someone just tied a boulder sized rock in marco911's panties.
48k hurting on the m3. Ford has really stepped it up again.
Just a few parts shy of a full-blown race car, the Mustang Boss 302 is a street-legal, high-performance Mustang variant designed for road racing. The Laguna Seca edition is the top-tier model, built to lap Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca faster than a BMW M3, and in our testing, it does. The Laguna Seca edition features a race-derived suspension, race-compound tires, no rear seats, race-derived aerodynamic modifications, and a special key that changes the engine computer programming from street-legal to full race spec.
RANDY POBST'S IMPRESSIONS
On handling... "The way it comes off the second-gear hairpin, I cannot believe the way it hooks up. They musta had, like, John Force doing the drag racing setup, because I virtually couldn't knock it loose. I couldn't...I mean, I was...the first time I was real careful. I'm like "Yeah, I know what this thing's gonna do..." I get on the power, and it just drives off. I'm...wow. So the second time around...more. The third time around...more. And it just digs outta there. I'd love to know how they got it to hook up like that. It puts power down so well. Extremely well-balanced car. A joy to drive. Didn't even feel very crude, tell you the truth. Felt pretty well-balanced. A little bit of body roll, but stick. Lord have mercy, it's better than the Shelby GT500 we tested a while back. Handled better than a Porsche Cayman."
On the transmission... "I did get a crunch on the 3-4 shift once, which was a little bit of a surprise."
On the brakes... "The brakes had had enough by the end of the second lap. They were hot and starting to fade for sure. But the braking was excellent. I didn't feel the kind of brake dive that we've complained about in Mustangs before."
On the aerodynamics... "Hard to say if that front splitter is doing anything. It looks like it would do something. But it isn't very close to the ground, being a street car. And I would think that without a real wing, if that was really working, the car would be very pointy and very ass-y, and it's not. So my first guess would be to say no, it's not doing very much. But it sure looks like a real live race car splitter."
On the engine... "That's a great-running engine. Big, fat power curve from the engine. It's making the same power from 5000 rpm to 7500 rpm, it feels like to me."
Overall... "Clearly better than any other Mustang I've driven. Great soundtrack, too. Just makes me want to put a couple of American flags on the hood like the old presidential limousines. They'd look just right on a Mustang. I'm just so impressed."
TURN NOTES
Turn 1: "Turn 1 is a corner -- got a scary wiggle when I was not perfectly smooth, the only sign of past Mustangs. Terrific at all other times. Race tires are a big help -- great stick!"
Turn 2: "Less dive than past Mustangs, great grip. Super control, some roll feel at turn-in. Well-balanced, surprising (at late entry). Amazing traction on power. This engine has a torque curve as wide as the Great Plains. Bravo, Ford!"
Turn 3: "So usable, consistent, driver-friendly. Hook-up on power is worthy of major awards."
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Best Driver's Car is not a race. Numbers aren't everything. To get the fullest picture possible for each competing vehicle, we perform our normal battery of performance testing and real-world driving, and racetrack performance. Yet, while on-track performance is just one piece of a larger puzzle, it's without question the most fun. Join us each day as we introduce the contenders, with track results and impressions by master driver Randy Pobst, all leading up to the crowning of the 2011 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car.
Sonick is a genius. I won't go into detail what's so great about his post. But it's damn good!
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The two keys thing is the ultimate gimmick for people that dont really work on their own cars.
I work on my own race car and I don't see it as a gimmick. If you have a street legal car and drive it around on a regular basis, but you want to take it to the track on occasion, it's way easier to swap keys than to fuck around manually with an engine management system.
[QUOTE=Rich Sandor;7562305]I work on my own race car and I don't see it as a gimmick. If you have a street legal car and drive it around on a regular basis, but you want to take it to the track on occasion, it's way easier to swap keys than to fuck around manually with an engine management system.[/QUOTE
+1
I have a diablo sport and needing a pc in addition to the tuner can be bothersome at times when switching tunes etc Posted via RS Mobile
I'm thinking more for the forced induction guys. My tune is for high boost but I just run around town with boost controller off unless I want to break the law.
In that there is no real true need for it, you could just have a button do the same thing. But ooooh great marketing ploy to the ricers who will view that as the sacred key of indiana jones or something.
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ok. how is the 2 keys a gimmick for this vehicle then?
Does your boost controller control your AFR too? Probably not. If you tune for safe fuel at redline at 16psi, and then turn down your boost to 10psi, you will be running rich. If you tune for safe redline at 10psi and then crank to 16psi you will be running danergously lean. My stock EMS box has an FQS switch but it's a pain in the ass to adjust. I'd rather tune for full race mode and then just drive it as little as possible in the city. The only time I turn down the boost is if it's raining hard.
That said my understanding is the B302 is still driveable in the city with the Track Key, it's just that everything is more aggressive, from the intake noise, to the exhaust noise, to the throttle response, and even the vacuum assist for the brakes.
I meant boost solenoid. Full standalone controls everything from whats displayed on my dash to my AFR.
Personally I want as much seattime in my "track car" as possible so having different feeling throttle response to intake/exhaust noise and brakes totally defeats the purpose of that IMO.
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor
Does your boost controller control your AFR too? Probably not. If you tune for safe fuel at redline at 16psi, and then turn down your boost to 10psi, you will be running rich. If you tune for safe redline at 10psi and then crank to 16psi you will be running danergously lean. My stock EMS box has an FQS switch but it's a pain in the ass to adjust. I'd rather tune for full race mode and then just drive it as little as possible in the city. The only time I turn down the boost is if it's raining hard.
That said my understanding is the B302 is still driveable in the city with the Track Key, it's just that everything is more aggressive, from the intake noise, to the exhaust noise, to the throttle response, and even the vacuum assist for the brakes.
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