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Old 03-10-2011, 05:12 PM   #1
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Mar 10, 2011 7:32 AM PT

Vancouver police continue to excavate the basement of an East Vancouver townhouse after a Maple Ridge, B.C., man came forward to say he watched his father kill his mother there more than 30 years ago.

Robert Sturcz, 38, told CBC News he was five when his 350-pound violent, alcoholic father Aladar Sturcz broke his mother's neck in the basement of the Rupert Street townhouse, and later buried her under the concrete floor.

Sturcz said after his father first tried to kill his mother, Katherine Mary Brown, he called him down to the basement and told him to make sure she didn't move until he got back.

"She started moving and I said, 'Don't move … don't move!' And then Dad came down and saw she was moving and told me to go upstairs. Later I came down and she's laid out … broken neck," he told CBC News at his Maple Ridge home on Wednesday.

Sturcz said his father was a violent alcoholic so he did what he was told and didn't talk about it either.
A police truck is parked at the entrance of the home on 4842 Rupert St. in East Vancouver on Wednesday. A police truck is parked at the entrance of the home on 4842 Rupert St. in East Vancouver on Wednesday. (Aarti Pole/CBC)

"I saw it. [I] was there. He made me sleep down there while she was dead down there for a couple of nights," he said.

"I remember being five years old pulling at her hair, poking her with a needle trying to get her to wake up," he said.

He said his mother's body lay there for two days until his father buried her body in the basement of the suite.

"My sick dad a couple of days later dug up the ground and chucked her in there, poured lime on her," said Sturcz.

"He gets me to help him later very quietly … as quietly as he could break the floor and dug the floor up with the help of one other grey-haired fella which I can't remember what he looked like," he said.
Forensic excavation begins

Neighbours say the residents of the house were moved out last month and police arrived this week with heavy equipment, including jackhammers, and began work in the basement.

Vancouver police said they are working with forensic and archaeological specialists on the excavation and they expect to be at the site for at least a week.

They have confirmed they are looking for a body of a woman who went missing in 1977, but they have yet to release her identity. But Sturcz said he knows what police are going to find.

"They're going to find a purse. They're going to find a status card. They're going to find a statement written by me in crayon my dad made me write that it's my fault," he said.

Stucz said his mother was a First Nations woman from the Lake Babine Nation near Burns Lake who suffered from low self-esteem at the hands of her abusive husband.

He said his father was a concentration camp survivor from Hungary who taught him how to kill people at the age of six.

"I knew he was kind of whacked in the head… so I was afraid to tell the police what happened back then, because I was afraid he was going to hurt my family," he said.
Turned to drugs to forget

Sturcz's father Aladar died in 1987 and was buried at Mountain View cemetery. Sturcz said he turned to drugs at the age of 17 to try to forget his mother's death, and only managed to get off them two years ago.

"When I first started remembering about it when I was 17, I needed to do cocaine to forget about it. So I've been clean off the cocaine now for two years," he said.

Eventually Sturcz told his story to former Downtown Eastside beat cop Dave Dickson, who said he's known Sturcz since he was 12 and believed the story.

"With Robert I believed him right from the get-go. It was just too detailed to be dreaming it or hallucinating it," said Dickson on Wednesday.

"He trusted me enough to come forward with it. And the first thing he said was, 'You don't think I'm crazy?' and I said, 'Of course not,'" said Dickson.

Sturcz said he is hoping when everything is done, he'll finally be able to give his mother a proper burial.

"It'll make me happier that my mom isn't haunting the house no more. I believe in ghosts," he said.
Project residents remember father

Tammy Western said she grew up near the townhouse in the low-income housing project and remembers the Sturcz family well, and the tough nature of the father still stands out for her.

"He was a home father, which we felt was rare. Yeah, we didn't mess with the dad, we knew he would probably kick our butt, you know, he wouldn't put up with our stuff. He bossed. He ruled the roost there," she said.

Western said she remembers asking where the mother was, and being told only that she was gone, and she learned not to ask anymore.

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Obviously the son is fucked in the head too
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^ if you had to go through that when you were only 5 years old. you'd probably be screwed in the head too
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Something out of a Criminal Minds episode.
I always find it interesting that in such traumatic situations instead of bettering yourself people turn to drugs to "escape" and end up fucking themselves over even worse.
I guess it's just something I'll never understand.
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So fucken sad, it a way I really hope they find her boy down there. I think if they don't it will fuck him up more then he already is.
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That suuuucksss balls for the current homeowners. Would they be financially compensated if they understandably want to move?
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Thats without question one of the most tragic stories I've ever heard.
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That suuuucksss balls for the current homeowners. Would they be financially compensated if they understandably want to move?
It's low income housing so no homeowner, just a broke-ass tenant living off our taxes. So yes, there will probably be compensation.
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"I saw it. [I] was there. He made me sleep down there while she was dead down there for a couple of nights," he said.

"I remember being five years old pulling at her hair, poking her with a needle trying to get her to wake up," he said.

He said his mother's body lay there for two days until his father buried her body in the basement of the suite.
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This is digusting. People like this (the father) are the reason I have very little faith in humanity at times. I feel sorry for the son for having to deal with everything, especially having to sleep beside his dead mother; no one deserves something like that, definitely not a five-year-old.
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CSI had an episode very similar to this.

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dayummm...i just finished reading Stephen king's 1922 yesterday, and the story is so similar....husband kills wife with the help of son and bury her down a well....
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VPD just tweeted:

#VPD conclude search at Rupert St home and no remains found. Investigation will continue as a missing person's case. bit.ly/fYNYpv
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So is this guy just full of shit or what? Seems too detailed to be made up...
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It's low income housing so no homeowner, just a broke-ass tenant living off our taxes. So yes, there will probably be compensation.
I'm pretty sure people who are low income pay taxes also ya ignoraneous.
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I think this guy is just delusional from all the drugs he took


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Robert Sturcz, who told police his mom was buried in the basement of his childhood home was upset when told no human remains were found.

"They dug in the wrong place. They are digging in the wrong house," said Sturcz.

"I told them to dig in the one I pointed out to them. I f--kin' told them."

Sturcz told The Province he told police to dig in the unit closest to the alley. The family lived in two different units in the BC Housing complex.

"I pointed it out to them. I'm f--kin' upset," he said.
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^^ if you seen the CTV interviews with him, you'd think is was still high/ messed on drugs.
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So fucken sad, it a way I really hope they find her boy down there. I think if they don't it will fuck him up more then he already is.
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