every single thing that has been prohibited, is available on the black market.
and that black market is violent, and funding even more criminal activity.

if things were not prohibited there wouldn't be a need for the violence as disputes could be handled in court like normal businesses.

The people who are using these guns could not get them if they were legal to begin with.. What difference would it make?

And if your talking about legalizing weed to curb violent crimes and gang activity I can all but guarantee -no one- is killing eachother over weed, it's all blow and crack and that shit is never being legalized so I don't get what your trying to say?

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http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Thr...072/story.html

quick

Outlawing firearms will NOT do jackshit

Outlaws do not care about laws. :speechless:

Any laws against firearms in general, are targeting the wrong people! The law abiding people.

The only thing that will deter the use of firearms in an act of crime is fucking unreal punishment for all crimes involving the use of firearms.

There is an unbelievable amount of goddamn legal redtape for everything firearms related for law abiding citizens, register this, register that, apply for a permit to go here, apply for another permit to go there, renew this, ban that, and the whole time it's like walking a tightrope because we are subject to the full extent of the law; we get treated exactly like the idiot in the article above, if we are caught in violation of any of this communist russia bullshit....I just renewed my authorization to transport, because without it, I can not legally move my handguns around, it's a fucking joke, because....

MEANWHILE buddy starts blasting away in the middle of a public rush hour with an ILLEGALLY owned weapon that all the firearm laws and regulations in the WORLD would not have stopped - he broke the law just bringing it there - it's a freaking offense just POINT the damn thing at someone, so do you really think he even gave two shits about any laws before yanking the trigger? And people still want to push tighter laws and regulations? lol give me a break

A 15,18, and 22 year old shooting someone in a crowded publicly surveillance place?

I'm not surprised they got caught this quick.

Keep the long gun registration! And spend millions and millions controlling law abiding citizens when 99% of gun crime is commited with hand guns and illegal weapons
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So much for the getaway sky train for these shooters. Kudos for the RCMP for catching these punks quickly. :)

It's billions spent! Two billion wasted tax dollars - we could almost send a man to the moon with the money wasted so far on bureaucratic shit lol

Hmmm....send a man to the moon? Or shovel $2 billion dollars into a hole in the ground? :D lol

no you can't guarantee shit. you have NO idea what the fuck you are talking about.

people kill people over weed. it happens money is money, and gangs are gangs.

i know this from first hand experiences of people i know.

Sorry guys, but gun control doesn't work - criminals don't give a shit about the law so why would they care about regulations that only law-abiding citizens would follow? Don't give me that bullshit about the UK having low crime rates - check the stats, the amount of KNIFE related violent crimes are way high *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stm*. Why? Criminals will commit crimes with whatever weapons they can find, guns or not. Take away the guns, they'll find knives or other objects to commit crimes with *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm*. The UK has a complete ban on handguns and look what that did to their crime rates? It shot through the roof (pun intended)! Illegal/smuggled guns are still owned by criminals and your average citizen has nothing to defend themselves with...

When they lifted the gun ban in Washington, the anti-gun people predicted that gun violence would go up because everyone would be shooting at each other for no reason... well guess what, the opposite happened, and crime rate went DOWN. *http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010902005.html* It's really common sense that when criminals know that you MAY be armed at any given time, they will make fewer attempts to commit crimes against you in fear of getting shot/hurt/killed. We are a civilized society right now but there are some really bad people out there that will do anything to get money or valuables from you by any means necessary, so the only real deterrent is to be ARMED, or, at least be able to defend yourself when you are being attacked.

You can regulate registered gun-owners all you want, but that will do NOTHING to decrease crime rates or gun-related shootings. These legal gun owners are licensed, background-checked, and follow some of the most strict gun-control rules in the world while at the same time being subject to punishments more severe than actual criminals! Do you honestly think that mr. gangster-wannabe will go through the whole process to get a gun and go out to commit crimes? :speechless: I blame our legal system for being too lenient on actual criminals and focusing too much on law-abiding citizens, simply because it is "easier" to control those that obey the law, rather than going out and enforcing the law on real criminals.

Almost all of the shootings in Vancouver so far are gang-related, targeted, and with unregistered/illegal firearms, and the rate of gun violence doesn't seem to be decreasing - so much for the gun registry and tough gun control that are supposed to make our society safer :failed: You know what would work, though - I would one day like to see our justice system side less with criminals (none of that human rights, rehabilitating bullshit we have now), hand out more severe punishments/sentences (got caught with illegal guns? automatic 5 year jail time), change self-defense laws so that the victims of robbery or home invasions don't end up in jail for defending themselves (google "Ian Thompson" and read the kind of bullshit laws apply to gun owners now, even in the face of imminent, life-threatening danger, you STILL get charged for defending your LIFE?) and allow registered gun owners to concealed carry if they choose to do so (with strict rules/requirements, of course). Watch our violent crime rate drop like nothing you've ever seen before...


Guys, this is in CANADA... where we can't defend ourselves and are supposed to lay there and die when faced with life-threatening situations

The attack captured on video

His lawyer discussing the case

Can you imaging if he didn't have a gun, an didn't run out to fire a warning shot at his attacker? Yip, he would've been dead. but now he's facing possible jail time all for DEFENDING HIS LIFE. WTF?

edit* from your responses in this post i'd lean towards you having no idea..

deleted my response i typed out as i figure it wasn't justified, but i'll say it again, no ones getting killed over weed, whether your talking a joint or a house.

:noob:

they shoot you, they get in shit, you shoot them in defence, you get in shit... fuck this criminal justice system

I don't care about this gun thing, but your post has too much BS. For example, your link refers to 2009 homicide rates going down after DC's handgun ban was thrown out. For some perspective:

http://dcist.com/2010/12/homicides_i...l_administ.php

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In other words, you read too much propaganda. As far as I'm concerned, the gun lobby is as bad as PETA. Both are a bunch of cock-sucking liars.

^^^ you can say that it's pure coincidence, or that "crime rate has been dropping anyway", but you can't deny the fact that banning guns have no direct impact on making the streets safer, which is what the politicians want you to believe (therefore, voting them into office).

I don't want to sit here all day pulling charts and data because I'm sure both sides manipulate them to suit their needs, but the fact of the matter is that gun control has been proven to have no direct effect on catching criminals, reducing crime rates, or reducing any type of illegal/criminal activities.

Not sure what "propaganda bs" you're talking about, but that's how the current Canadian firearms act and criminal justice system work right now - punish the good, ignore the bad. Did you read the papers just recently on how a convicted killer escaped from custody on a DAY PASS? EXCUSE ME? A DAY PASS for a convicted killer? How the HELL did that happen? Good thing they caught him shortly after: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...ll-caught.html

The thing about the UK crime rate is true - not bs, look it up.

The thing about our broken criminal system - not bs, look it up.

The thing about Canadians having no rights to defend themselves (when firearms/lethal force are involved) - not bs, way too many cases recently, look it up.

I acutally think that our licensing program is half-decent and is a good system to have, similar to how one gets a driver's license (you need a car, get a license to prove that you are capable of safe-handling of it; need a gun, get a license to prove that you are capable of safe-handling it, etc). It's those judges, crown attorneys, some LEOs, and some politicians that are making responsible gun-ownership a pain in the ass and with punishments worse than actual criminal offenses.

So which part of my post is propaganda or bs?

LOL are you fucking stupid?

two years ago a shack got shot up.
guess what they were only selling? weed.

people get shot for money, and what ever makes there money.

you have no idea on who/what i know of what has happened because of that simple fact, that weed makes gangs money.

*yawn

I'm pretty sure only jackers are getting shot. Why do you think people wanted to kill those bacon brothers.

more so, people stealing other custie's

actually there are... there was that old guy recently that was killed on his grow farm in the interior

there was an attempted murder of a senior too the trial is in the news currently over weed too