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COQUITLAM (NEWS1130) - The man convicted of killing this three children in Merritt will be allowed escorted visits into the community.
A BC Review Panel has ruled Allan Schoenborn has made good progress during his year or so in custody. He's currently at the Colony Farm Institution in Port Coquitlam.
Last year, Schoenborn was found guilty, but not criminally responsible for the murders of his kids.
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Here's some background info: Quote: Accused triple child-killer Allan Schoenborn thought his kids were being molested
By Cassidy Olivier, The Province October 14, 2009
Allan Dwayne Schoenborn did everything but directly admit to killing his three children during a police-taped interview he had with his wife while in prison.
In chilling evidence played in B.C. Supreme Court Tuesday, Schoenborn — charged with the April 6, 2008 slayings of Kaitlynne, 10, Max, 8 and Cordon, 5, — told his common-law wife, Darcie Clarke that he believed the children were being molested.
“And it just came on me in one big flood. And I realized there’s nothing I can do about it, no matter how hard I try. So I put them where they’ll be safe ... and stay young and innocent.”
Schoenborn then tells Clarke he didn’t torture the kids despite what she’d been told.
“I didn’t torture anybody, Darcie,” he tells her. “I thought it was going to be quick. I thought it was going to be quick and when it, it, it didn’t go quick ... Not like I knew what I was doing.”
The recordings were taken from a June 2008 face-to-face interview between Clarke and Schoenborn at the Kamloops Regional Correctional Centre some three months after Schoenborn’s arrest in the woods outside of Merritt. Schoenborn has pleaded not guilty to three counts of first-degree murder.
The Crown has said his mental state at the time of the murders is central to the case.
In a letter written from prison following the murders, and read in court, Schoenborn detailed how he’d tried various methods to kill himself while on the lam — including slashing his wrists and freezing to death — in an attempt to “join” the children.
Clarke said she moved to Merritt with the children in September 2007 to be closer to her mother.
The move, she said, was caused by Schoenborn’s declining mental state and their ongoing, and increasingly-confrontational arguments that centred largely on his belief that she was cheating on him.
Clarke testified Schoenborn was diagnosed as paranoid in 1999 when he crashed his truck in an attempt to get Kaitlynne to hospital, believing there was something wrong with her.
As it turned out, she was just sleeping.
In another incident, Clarke said, Schoenborn accused her of putting drugs in the teething gel she was using on Kaitlynne.
By the time of the murders, she said, Schoenborn was hearing voices and believed there was a transmitter in either his brain or teeth that was responsible.
Clarke said that despite her advice to do so, Schoenborn never sought medical help, believing he might end up lobotomized.
“He didn’t trust anybody,” Clarke said.
At the time of the killings, Clarke said, she and Schoenborn had worked out an arrangement where she would stay with her mother when he came up from Vancouver to visit the kids.
She described their relationship around that time as “on again, off again.” Clarke said that on the day before the murders there had been nothing in Schoenborn’s demeanour that caused her concern for the safety of the kids, despite the fact she’d earlier refused his advances to live as a family again. “He didn’t like it, but was willing to accept it for now,” she said.
The trial continues Wednesday.
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Fuck that guy!
Whoever chose to give him the ability to see the light of day again should really consider what this man can do for society, which is nothing. Kill them fucker. Hold his head under water and never speak of him again.
Makes me fucking sick to keep hearing about this.
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04-06-2011, 11:21 AM
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At least with day trips someone will have a chance to pick him off.
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04-06-2011, 11:59 AM
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OK, so a sane man would be locked up for life with chance of parole in 25 years, but this guy can be out and fucking around in our communities right now?
The guy has been proven to be mentally ill. Let's suppose he doesn't take his meds or loses it again........
I get it that he's fucked in the head. More reason to keep him locked up. Get him the help, but keep him locked up. Wants to go shopping in a mall???????? Buddy, you gave up rights when you killed all three of your own children. Your own flesh and blood, for christ's sake. You think he'd care more about children of complete strangers? What ever happened to safety of community over the wants of one individual? It's not even a need. He gets fed and clothed by our tax dollars - probably has a tv and faster Internet connection than some of us.
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They should put him and those two psychopaths from Victoria in a room together
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04-06-2011, 12:52 PM
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Saw this today on the news.....that's fucked
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there needs to be a prison island. like alcatraz but we'd leave them there with no tools so we wouldn't need to build any walls. queen charlotte islands seem like a good bet.
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04-06-2011, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gdoh  bring back capital punishment | not even america executes the insane (to add even the united states is doing away with the death sentence) Quote:
Originally Posted by 89blkcivic OK, so a sane man would be locked up for life with chance of parole in 25 years, but this guy can be out and fucking around in our communities right now?
The guy has been proven to be mentally ill. Let's suppose he doesn't take his meds or loses it again........
I get it that he's fucked in the head. More reason to keep him locked up. Get him the help, but keep him locked up. Wants to go shopping in a mall???????? Buddy, you gave up rights when you killed all three of your own children. Your own flesh and blood, for christ's sake. You think he'd care more about children of complete strangers? What ever happened to safety of community over the wants of one individual? It's not even a need. He gets fed and clothed by our tax dollars - probably has a tv and faster Internet connection than some of us. | there's no reason to believe that he would be a threat to others or that its believed his threat level is very manageable (that's what they would have had to determine to allow escorted day trips)
they don't just let people out on escorted day trips willy nilly
It's a simple question to ask yourselves, if your brother or sister went nutz and killed their own children (because they're bat shit crazy) would you want to put a bullet in their head or do you hope that one day your baby/big sister/brother will again be that guy/gal you knew and grew up with?
well the only way that can happen is if they're on a rehabilitation course.. and that includes allowing them to experience a normal environment (not locked around crazies 24/7)
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Originally Posted by Phat_R They should put him and those two psychopaths from Victoria in a room together | soak the floor with gasoline before you throw them in, then lock the door and light a match
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so he kills his 3 kids and gets day passes to go have coffee at the mall..
i dont know if u guys saw global news today, but the guy from abbotsford who killed his step daughter while vacationing in washington state also tried to plea insanity similar to what this shcellenberg [sp] plead
Washington court found there was no where near enough evidence to trial him on that basis and give him auto 50 years in prison
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Originally Posted by StylinRed well the only way that can happen is if they're on a rehabilitation course.. and that includes allowing them to experience a normal environment (not locked around crazies 24/7) | Good, we'll send him your way.
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I don't know what's worse - a proven mentally insane person kills his kids and is allowed outside, or (presumably) perfectly healthy people talking about murdering him like it's nothing.
If you walk by a schizophrenic homeless person talking to themselves, do you think about killing them because they may cause harm?
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Originally Posted by 89blkcivic Good, we'll send him your way. | lol... i've worked with worse
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Originally Posted by StylinRed lol... i've worked with worse
i expected more from the, wise one | My work place is full of whacko's......... I've joined them. 
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp I don't know what's worse - a proven mentally insane person kills his kids and is allowed outside, or (presumably) perfectly healthy people talking about murdering him like it's nothing.
If you walk by a schizophrenic homeless person talking to themselves, do you think about killing them because they may cause harm? | people like him are NOT NEEDED in society. Unless you want to hire him as a baby sitter or something, I know I dont have that much confidence in his rehab program.
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Originally Posted by Jayhall people like him are NOT NEEDED in society. Unless you want to hire him as a baby sitter or something, I know I dont have that much confidence in his rehab program. | 
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp I don't know what's worse - a proven mentally insane person kills his kids and is allowed outside, or (presumably) perfectly healthy people talking about murdering him like it's nothing.
If you walk by a schizophrenic homeless person talking to themselves, do you think about killing them because they may cause harm? | Problem is, this guy already caused harm. 3 times.
Also, even if we give them the benefit of doubt, don't you think it's a bit too early to say that he is showing good signs?
Man, he killed 3 of his own kids.. Even if he does show great signs of rehab, he should spend the rest of his life locked away from society. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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Originally Posted by murd0c At least with day trips someone will have a chance to pick him off. | That person will end up probably doing more time than him.
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Originally Posted by StylinRed not even america executes the insane (to add even the united states is doing away with the death sentence)
there's no reason to believe that he would be a threat to others or that its believed his threat level is very manageable (that's what they would have had to determine to allow escorted day trips)
they don't just let people out on escorted day trips willy nilly
It's a simple question to ask yourselves, if your brother or sister went nutz and killed their own children (because they're bat shit crazy) would you want to put a bullet in their head or do you hope that one day your baby/big sister/brother will one day be that guy/gal you knew and grew up with?
well the only way that can happen is if they're on a rehabilitation course.. and that includes allowing them to experience a normal environment (not locked around crazies 24/7) | 3 YEARS IN JAIL!? Quote: |
"He is not to be trusted," Hillaby said of Schoenborn. "He had a terrible history with violence and anger."
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IMO all these nutjobs who are found not criminally responsible and magically show "such great progress" in rehab (I'm talking about the greyhound guy who chopped off that kid's head, also) should still have to face the consequences of their actions, once they are now supposedly mentally capable of doing so. The guy is SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP. I'm not an expert but that's not the type of thing you get over in a year, or in a lifetime. Do you want your kids to be living next to this guy 10 years from now, when some hack psychiatrist has declared him mentally stable, and something triggers another episode?! Or he forgets/decides not to take his happy pills!?
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1) He's been in custody for 3 years
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it doesn't mean Schoenborn will be granted access to the community immediately.
That decision now rests with the director of the Forensic Psychiatric Hospital, who must assess Schoenborn's mental state and decide if he is ready for short escorted absences from the hospital.
"What we've approved is the director's request for discretion to consider escorted leave," B.C. Review Board chair Bernd Walter said today.
The B.C. Review Board, in its annual review of Schoenborn to assess his threat to the community, decided to grant Schoenborn's application under strict conditions:
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Chi...#ixzz1IokVB0Z1 | So its not like he'll be allowed out right away... this is simply allowing the Director "Warden" to decide When and If this guy will be allowed out during his rehabilitation
and again i'd ask you to ask yourself the question of what you would hope to happen if your brother/sister,son/daughter were in this situation (and you don't have to respond just really think about it, be realistic)
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