Bouncer at Vancouver pub accused of racial profiling

[asahai69]

its owned by the donnelly group. i dont know why this is surprising.

[deep87]

damn jacks ruin it for the rest of us.

Don't want to go to the places full of brown guys because it seems like most have something to prove. Can't get into the layed back places because the bouncers just don't want to risk having to deal with it.

I'll just blame ed hardy and call it a day.

[Culverin]

Originally Posted by moomooCow

And all the white people will be OK with not allowing any Chinese people get their license because the stereotype is that Chinese drivers are shitty. They don't know how to discern the difference between C-Lai's and just general Chinese people.

Hey, I'm chinese and I think we have a significantly disproportionate number of bad drivers. A blanket chinese = no license would be wrong. But if ICBC racially profiled because hey, your parents aren't here and you drive an 80k+ car then so be it. I bet my left testicle that ICBC has empirical data that c-lais and astronaut kids account for more than their fair share of bad drivers.

[achiam]

THEY SEE ME ROLLIN' THEY HATIN'

[EmperorIS]

I think brown people just have as much bad drivers as the Asian or any other population. I se taxi divers weaving I and out of traffic. Young thug brown kids flooring their cars everywhere weaving in and out of traffic with out a care of other drivers especially brown old females they are just as bad and careless as see lai Atleast see lai dont speed. They are mainly just careless but they do not drive aggressively
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[Vansterdam]

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[quasi]

Originally Posted by EmperorIS

I think brown people just have as much bad drivers as the Asian or any other population. I se taxi divers weaving I and out of traffic. Young thug brown kids flooring their cars everywhere weaving in and out of traffic with out a care of other drivers especially brown old females they are just as bad and careless as see lai Atleast see lai dont speed. They are mainly just clueless but they do not drive aggressively
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[G Hawk]

http://www.thesun.net/Blogs/SoniaSid...tryID=10222856

[91LS-VTak]

I thought it was a common practice not to let a big group of brown guys into a club...?

[Harvey Specter]

Originally Posted by G Hawk

http://www.thesun.net/Blogs/SoniaSid...tryID=10222856

I'm EI and this story doesn't shock me one bit. Like I said, my friends couldn't get reservations at Society in Yaletown last month because it was a group of brown guys.

[Jayhall]

Ive seen white dudes, brown guys, asians and black guys all causing trouble down town. Sure maybe certain groups do it more often then others but drunk idiots are the real problem here

[baggdis300]

i donno about anyone else, but i have NEVER been not let into a dt club or bar cause the colour of my skin. i am east indian, but light skinned even then i have gotten in fine everywhere i have tried with a group of brown guys. i wouldn't think of that happening anywhere downtown...

[MDMA]

Originally Posted by asahai69

its owned by the donnelly group. i dont know why this is surprising.

this is bang on. I was standing outside Post Modern (Donnelly Group club) on Saturday night and i saw a white guy get absolutely tooled by 2 bouncers there, the dude must of really pissed em off cuz he literally got dummied to the ground and they stomped on his head and kicked it like a soccer ball, not even exaggerating one bit, ok maybe a punch or 2 is understandable but kicking a helpless person in the head multiple times is definitely not reasonable force, dude was laying there unconscious with blood leaking from his head i for one that he was dead and so did a few other people who witnessed,

[parm104]

Without a doubt, East Indian males in Vancouver have a BAD rep. Also without a doubt, it is indeed WELL-DESERVED. Perhaps I scrutinize brown gangsters more because I am embarrassed of their actions, being from the same community. I'm sure other Asian and Caucasian communities have their equal share of "gangsters."

Nevertheless, I find it amusing that SOME people jump the gun on both sides of this story. There are people here that will NEVER ever experience racism in their lives. There are some here that have already experienced their fair share. I for one can tell you, as an East-Indian who does NOT drink, have found it difficult to get into clubs both in Vancouver and Calgary. None of my friends have ever been thrown out of a club, in fact, a handful of them are Police Officers. Yet we still don't get into clubs that are clearly under capacity and when we have a guest list planned ahead of time. Yet, when I go out with my group of white friends, I get in no problem with them. Never had an issue with any of them and they're not organized at all to plan out a guest list.

I am not saying this story is true or it is false. I am simply saying, before jumping the gun and saying "it's easy to pull the race card," I ask you to put yourselves in the shoes of someone who has been denied something that should be equally accessible to everyone, but isn't because of the color of their skin, or their gender or their class. Then imagine how it would feel for everyone to say that you're over-reacting when you try to share the story.

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by parm104

There are people here that will NEVER ever experience racism in their lives. There are some here that have already experienced their fair share.

Pretty much the only times I've experienced racism in my life was thanks to brown folks. There were a few times with Native people but the most recent are because of Surrey Jacks

I've heard "Go back to your trailer, white boy" and "The only reason you're my boss is because you're white, but one day we'll be in charge" (yes, I heard this at work. no, I wasn't allowed to fire him because union issues)

Also, being stared down by Jacks while living in Surrey is always a chore. I do my best to make it seem like I think they're checking me out which helps diffuse the situation and makes them feel weird about themselves.



(brown) Guys (WHO ARE NOT PARM 104), this is a serious question that you may think is packaged as racism. I'm asking this from a real place so we can all understand.

Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?


Serious question. Anyone got an answer?

[parm104]

Originally Posted by Tachycardia!

Pretty much the only times I've experienced racism in my life was thanks to brown folks. There were a few times with Native people but the most recent are because of Surrey Jacks

I've heard "Go back to your trailer, white boy" and "The only reason you're my boss is because you're white, but one day we'll be in charge" (yes, I heard this at work. no, I wasn't allowed to fire him because union issues)

(brown) Guys, this is a serious question that you may think is packaged as racism. I'm asking this from a real place so we can all understand.

Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?

Serious question. Anyone got an answer?

You quoted me yet completely missed the message. I said "some people will never ever experience racism and some people here already have experienced it..."

I never said "white ppl over here will never experience it, and brown people will." Racism itself is the ONLY thing that is not prejudice. It can affect any color any race.

I think your ignorance MAY play a large role in your targeting.

"Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?"

You just did EXACTLY what the people who target you do to you. You just grouped ALL "brown guys" together and asked US to account for OTHER people's actions and mindsets.

Ignorant questions do not deserve any answers. You are acting like "brown guys" are the ONLY ones who are out there trying to prove themselves to everyone and trying to be "hard." Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, American, Italian, British people ALL have groups of people who are gangster/thug wannabes. Who act the SAME way as the people you work with. It is no more and no less in one race than another, in my opinion.

[asahai69]

lol i just got banned from caprice a few months ago. i found out a few days after i went there because one of my brothers buddies works there. i never caused trouble there, never got overly drunk and fucked around, always spent a good amount of money and tipped well. i was confused and was sure they were just fucking around and maybe confused me for someone else.

nope it was me. i asked why i was banned and apparently it said i was banned by jon wong. the head bouncer or something. and the reason was "Image".

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by parm104

I think your ignorance MAY play a large role in your targeting.

Relax. I was just sharing an experience. How can I be ignorant if this is something that actually happened to me?

You just did EXACTLY what the people who target you do to you. You just grouped ALL "brown guys" together and asked US to account for OTHER people's actions and mindsets.

Ignorant questions do not deserve any answers. You are acting like "brown guys" are the ONLY ones who are out there trying to prove themselves to everyone and trying to be "hard." Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, American, Italian, British people ALL have groups of people who are gangster/thug wannabes. Who act the SAME way as the people you work with. It is no more and no less in one race than another, in my opinion.

You seem pretty defensive. Why are you "on"?


I wasn't saying everyone will have an answer for my question. It wasn't addressed specifically to you. Search my post. Where in there did I say "Parm104 answer this. Everyone else who might know something about this ignore this question because its specifically pointed at Parm104"

Christ. For someone who thinks my "ignorant question doesn't deserve an answer" you sure did a whole lot of talking about it.

[parm104]

Originally Posted by Tachycardia!

Relax. I was just sharing an experience. How can I be ignorant if this is something that actually happened to me?

You seem pretty defensive. Why are you "on"?

I wasn't saying everyone will have an answer for my question. It wasn't addressed specifically to you. Search my post. Where in there did I say "Parm104 answer this. Everyone else who might know something about this ignore this question because its specifically pointed at Parm104"

Christ. For someone who thinks my "ignorant question doesn't deserve an answer" you sure did a whole lot of talking about it.

Once again, you've missed the point. I never said sharing your opinion is ignorant. Your experience at work was insightful and relevant to the topic at hand. Your ignorance came into play when you targeted the question towards "brown guys." You never said Parm104 answer this but you did ask a select group of people to answer it (brown guys), which I happen to be apart of.

Your post clearly generalizes all brown guys and you clearly asked "us" to answer the question for you.

You seem to have a hard time understanding this concept but I will break it down even further for you. By saying "what do you brown guys have to prove" is you saying all brown guys are out to prove something. That they are all acting hard and looking for conflict. This is far from the case as I have already mentioned. Then you also go on to say that you want the brown people in here to answer your question. There you go again making unwarranted judgements on the brown guys on this forum implying that we are likes the ones you work with, targeting other races, creating conflict and prejudice and acting hard. THIS is where I pointed out your ignorance. How can we account for the actions and thoughts of other people?

And again, I may have done a lot of talking about it but I never said your ignorant question doesn't deserve to be discussed. I said you don't deserve to get the answers to your question, which you still haven't.

Regardless, this isn't fight club and you can grasp what you will from what I am saying. If you manage to figure out that you're generalizing people into a stereotypical group then that's great, you'll learn and I'm sure you'll stop. But again, until you realize that, that only thing that differentiates your mindset from that of the people you work with, is your race.

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by parm104

Your post clearly asks generalizes all brown guys and you clearly asked "us" to answer the question for you..

Who else would answer the question? The Chinese, Caucasian or Korean guys on the forum? They're not qualified to, because they're not the topic of this thread.

At no point did I say that every brown guy who browses Revscene will be "that guy" or is the reason for the stereotypes discussed here today. What I did ask, however, is for insight into why this image exists. Obviously there has to be a mindset or a reasoning behind why we go to clubs and to see things like this happen.

Go back to my post and read it over. Then read it over again. If this post does not apply to you, you are not obligated to respond to it. If you do, however, have the insight to address this issue then please enlighten our community. Hell, even if you aren't "that guy" but know some who are then let us know what you know about it.

But that question in no way is directed at, towards, or near Parm104. Just so we're all clear on that. And if someone else might be offended that I've asked a question about a social issue to which I'm trying to understand, that question is not directed at you.

I'm sincerely sorry to have offended anyone's delicate sensibilities.

[BillyBishop]

Originally Posted by Tachycardia!

(brown) Guys (WHO ARE NOT PARM 104), this is a serious question that you may think is packaged as racism. I'm asking this from a real place so we can all understand.

Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?

Originally Posted by parm104

You are acting like "brown guys" are the ONLY ones who are out there trying to prove themselves to everyone and trying to be "hard." Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, American, Italian, British people ALL have groups of people who are gangster/thug wannabes. Who act the SAME way as the people you work with. It is no more and no less in one race than another, in my opinion.

Tachy, you've asked a question that I really wish we could find an answer to.

--

To be quite honest, I think Parm made a good point with what I quoted from him above.
Sure, the attitude that you're describing is definitely apparent in EI males in this neck of the woods. But I can easily point to certain members of other ethnic groups that act in a similar manner. You won't find them wearing Ed Hardy and driving riced-out Civics with fart-cans, though.


For the record, I'm also East-Indian; like Parm, I don't identify with the "typical surrey-jacks" that you are all accustomed to seeing -- acting like they're the shit and all that.

[Qmx323]

Man who cares what race they were, if you act like a fool you're gonna get treated like one. White Brown Chinese Black whatever.

Unfortunately for the guy in OPs article, he was probably a victim of profiling.

Sucks to be misunderstood.

[white_guilt]

I've worked in the nightclub industry for years. Racial profiling vs brown people is in every club-literally, EVERY club in Vancouver. For instance, I used to work for a very popular Yaletown lounge (frequented by tons of celebrities/VIPs/industry big-wigs), because this is YT, we get tons of high-end clientele. The bouncers are under unofficial orders to monitor a set quota of Brown people, and when a certain group has been admitted entry, they are watched like hawks. Is this profiling? I suppose. But I'd say the moment we have more than 10 Brown people inside the premises, there is without a fail, an altercation. Some nights we have blood all over the place outside, and some nights are tame, but without fail, there will be at least one minor altercation. I have friends that work in the top nightclubs around town, and security/ managers start getting uneasy once the place starts filling up with Browns, and these groups are watched fervently.
This has been going on for years, and it did not spring out suddenly overnight because of some collective conspiracy by every other race to create a non-Brown club. This was started because of years and years of innocent patrons getting attacked by Crown Royal'd up Surrey trash via flexing their collective group muscles at anyone who so much as looks in their general direction.
Bar owners are sick and tired of having to kick out these idiots time and time again every Friday /Saturday night for breaking their property, harassing their clients or endangering the well-being of their employees. This isn't racial profiling; this is common sense. If a company delivers a product that fails to work , time and time again, eventually people will wise up and stop bying the product. Will there be an odd customer who gets a working product? Yes, of course. But will it be safe to err on the side of caution and by a different product from another company? Yes. It pays to be risk adverse. Bar owners and clients wised up years ago to this epidemic of Surrey trash that somehow makes its way from across the bridge and the tunnel, every weekend. I guess I shouldn't have let this industry "secret" out of the bag, but if you didn't know, now you do.

[Meowjin]

^^I've mentioned it a few times but people just blew me off as racist.


honest problem. Alot of brown guys get really really touchy when they drink and there are alot of people that don't like to be touched.

[white_guilt]

Originally Posted by asahai69

lol i just got banned from caprice a few months ago. i found out a few days after i went there because one of my brothers buddies works there. i never caused trouble there, never got overly drunk and fucked around, always spent a good amount of money and tipped well. i was confused and was sure they were just fucking around and maybe confused me for someone else.

nope it was me. i asked why i was banned and apparently it said i was banned by jon wong. the head bouncer or something. and the reason was "Image".

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

You are probably leaving out details. From a club stand point it makes no sense to randomly ban you- this is bad for business. You must have done something to deserve a ban from Caprice (which BTW, is worked by good people).