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I'm unclear why your choosing to reduce this discussion to baseless insults, I'm in no way simple minded and to insinuate that over my views on a car is ridiculous, grow up. People have made many of the exact same complaints about the Fit having a cheap plastic interior and no power. I test drove the Smart, Fit and Civic; I preferred the smart and only chose a Civic because once a month I might carry two passengers and I don't have a second vehicle for those occasions. I don't know how this got so off-topic, but we've both made out points clear and there's no reason to continue. Quote:
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Just like everything else in America, bigger is better. I used to be extremely biased towards imports but now that I've had a chance to work on some old school muscle I'm starting to switch sides. They're much easier to work on and build. Plus you can't beat the sound of a big v8.:drool |
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I started this topic, cuz i want to learn to appreciate engines with large displacement. We are all told import > domestic blah blah blah since we were young and that mentality has went soft in me over the last few years. |
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Well the real REAL reason American cars had bigger engines is because of OIL prices post WWII. Super cheap crude = Americans being able to afford 4.L + pony/muscle cars, boatlong cadillacs, etc. Also its important to mention that bootleggers were the first engine modders of the American culture that put bigger engines into their cars in order to outrun the police. Result = Nascar. Once the oil crisis hit in the 70s, all the EU and Asian car manufacturers hit a jackpot due to their much smaller fuel efficient vehicles. Even with higher gas prices, the big 3 continued to make big blocks because they were so cheap to produce and run. Also whoever said Culture has nothing to do with it doesnt know what theyre talking about. Of course it does! Its the mindset that you are born into. Europe: smaller roads, more compact countries, stricter restrictions (emissions). proof is there when you go visit EU. vast variety of diesel engines, mostly wagons instead of pickups or SUVs, smaller cargo vans. Even when it comes to racing. Europeans concentrated on designing a car that can go many laps around a track, fuel efficient (less pit stops), better cornering and is more air dynamic. NA: vast open land, less emission restrictions, American BIG ego of bigger is better. American obsession with the Pickup truck and SUV while most are only used for daily driving. Meanwhile, American racing culture was to put the biggest engine you can in order to win a drag race. When it comes down to it, it all depends what you intend to use that engine for. Racing in a straight line? Track use? Hauling? DD? |
It's interesting when people state that Japanese or European brands provide similar power output from "smaller" engines. In fact, pushrod engines are very compact and light for their displacement. An LSx may be of similar size and weight as a DOHC 6 cylinder, meaning it could be used in the same applications without any downside. The upside is a broader power curve. |
lol @ efficiency and engine(internal combustion engine) being used in the same sentence. |
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I personally am a fan of imports and domestics, gas or diesel. No one engine is better than an other. Maybe you want a 10000rpm screamer or maybe you want a diesel with 1000ft/lbs at 1800rpm. Depends on the purpose. But for daily driver versatility a 4 cylinder turbo is a good mix of economy/power. If I had to choose an engine for fun it would definately be LSx based. The amount of parts available are mind-boggling. Very cheap too compared to hks or spoon parts overnight from japan. People put GM LSx's in mazdas, hondas, toyotas, nissans, datsuns, jeeps, fords, infinitis etc etc. |
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Some newer turbo engines from German automakers are praised for their "non-exsistence" turbo lag, some of them has peak torque arriving as soon as 1200rpm (factory figures), peak horsepower arriving at 5000-5500rpm. These kind of engines are good at driving around town, but then they have signficant turbo "fade" closer to the redline. I am just sad at seeing all these high-revving N/A engines being axed because of newer emission standards. The current M3 is the last M-car with a N/A engine :( http://www.reveuro.com/inventory/101...-m3-bmw-58.JPG |
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Pics from lowside67's race car conversion. Note how much room there is between the radiator and the engine. It's tighter with the original I6 in there. http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._5440462_n.jpg Another E36, converted to run LS1 engine. http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-a...91_5797872.jpg Here's a quote from him describing the fit: Quote:
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BMW's engine weighs 445 lbs. An LS3 weighs 415 lbs. http://www.kenrockwell.com/bmw/m3/2007/engine.htm http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/_r...ineQRC2008.pdf Despite the BMW's smaller displacement engine (less than two-thirds the size), it weighs more and makes less power everywhere. Even the LS7 (505 hp) is in the ballpark with the BMW with 5 lbs less. |
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