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TheKingdom2000 06-01-2011 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp (Post 7455935)
Not sure if that's a good idea. Remember a few years back when all the grabage truck drivers went on strike. The city try to hire some private company to do the job and those private hire got beat up, their truck smash by those people who is on strike.
whoa. really? I never heard about them getting beat up or anything like that.
that's crazy.

Meowjin 06-01-2011 12:50 PM
...

that never happened.

Upper management, worked overtime and were getting paid insane hours to do the garbage disposal. I remember because my friends dad was a superintendant and he was making 10k a paycheck during that strike.

TheKingdom2000 06-01-2011 01:01 PM
^so then are you saying that mail will still be delivered?

because during the garbage strike I don't recall any of my garbage getting taken away. it just piled up.

dachinesedude 06-01-2011 01:03 PM
thats generally how it works, if union employees go on strike, management (aka non-union employees) do the job and bank in insane amounts of OT hours

kyoshiro 06-01-2011 01:53 PM
my area's mailman told me that their management will work on something if they indeed go on strike and told me not to worry too much.

quasi 06-01-2011 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 7455916)
you mean like the Extra Foods guys? what's it been 2 years now they've been picketing ? (maple ridge that is)

2.5 years lol
The projectionists strike was pretty good. It lasted 17 months and at the end of the day they went from $38 an hour to $15. They also missed out on almost a year and a half of wages but at least nobody can say they didn't tow the line to the bitter end. :)

Super Dipper 06-01-2011 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mx703 (Post 7455950)
^so then are you saying that mail will still be delivered?

because during the garbage strike I don't recall any of my garbage getting taken away. it just piled up.

some mail might go out by scab workers. A guess would be that essential first class mail will only go out, with the help of mgmt, but that will be about it.


Also keep in mind, that if this drags on, we will be legislated back to work, as we are deemed an essential service.

I really hope they can get their shit together and come up with a contract. I have the luxury of being a single guy with very few expenses and bills and i can survive, but our employees with families and mortgages cant afford this.

Along with that, the public needs to have the mail service continue without delay. You guys need your mail, packages, parts, gifts, connections and whatnot and it doesnt need to be held up due to political squabble.

TheKingdom2000 06-01-2011 07:48 PM
^ can you collect EI if you go on strike?

Super Dipper 06-01-2011 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mx703 (Post 7456459)
^ can you collect EI if you go on strike?
dont think so. The only thing we can collect is strike pay which is something like $18/day, which aint a whole lot, haha.

Super Dipper 06-01-2011 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dachinesedude (Post 7455951)
thats generally how it works, if union employees go on strike, management (aka non-union employees) do the job and bank in insane amounts of OT hours
itll be interesting to see if the mgmt will actually help in delivering mail as they are also unionized employees.

CUPW = Internal and External Postal workers. Exempt are those in RSMC or rural sector employees

APOC = Supervisors and middle management union. These employees are usually direct bosses to CUPW

PSAC = Office and Admin staff.

The only employees not under any unions are super-intendants, GM's DM's, and executive staff.

It'll be interesting to see that if we go out, if APOC and PSAC will support us. My hunch will be that APOC will not support us, and that PSAC will, locally that is, i dont know how it will go in other regions of country.

bing 06-01-2011 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Dipper (Post 7454106)
pull your head out of your ass. CPC has continuously been making a profit for several years. They have been doing so well, they have been giving out a team bonus annually to all of their employees for the past 3 years.

CPC may claim that revenues and volumes are down, but letter carrier station are packed full of mail that we are unable to move at the speed mgmt wants us too, bc we do not have enough carriers to get the mail out.

parcel volumes have skyrocketed with e-commerce. We are still the cheapest ways to ship the products you purchase on the net and bc of that, businesses continually use as their main shipping provider.

Revenues are not down, volumes are not down, you can continue to believe and read what you want, but unless you work within the company, you dont have a clue what is going on. Keep reading the BS that you want to read and believe what you want. You are entitled to your opinion and i can respect that, but dont tell me that a 3% raise over 4 years is unreasonable when cost of living and inflation continues to rise and its becoming harder and harder to make ends meet.

anyways, im gonna leave it at that. Im in vegas on vacation, there is much tail to chase and booze to drink. Im gonna continue to do that. Ill deal with work and the strike when i get back from my holidays.
don't mean to bash on you but, IMO unless you work specifically in middle or upper management, you are not going to be frequently analyzing the company's statistical and financial information. They might be posted up on an employee wall, but from experience regular workers don't usually take the time to read and understand them unless your job is monitored (ie: in sales). Anyways, taylor just disproved whatever you said about revenues and volume just by looking at the annual report so unless you have something concrete to post up, he is more credible.

Btw getting a bonus does not mean company revenues overall aren't down. It's just a tool to motivate and give you incentive. For what reason? I don't know. Didn't AIG recently use taxpayer bailout money to give bonuses ?

twitchyzero 06-01-2011 09:55 PM
didn't think there'd be so much bickering in this thread
should i get my school ship through courier since the strike is imminent?

taylor192 06-01-2011 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Dipper (Post 7455464)
Yup, you are right, i got no credible information. I only work there.
Lots of people work at my company would not be able to tell you the company's stock performance. Just cause you work there doesn't mean you can shoot down a credible agency like KPMG.

taylor192 06-01-2011 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bing (Post 7456553)
don't mean to bash on you but, IMO unless you work specifically in middle or upper management, you are not going to be frequently analyzing the company's statistical and financial information. They might be posted up on an employee wall, but from experience regular workers don't usually take the time to read and understand them unless your job is monitored (ie: in sales). Anyways, taylor just disproved whatever you said about revenues and volume just by looking at the annual report so unless you have something concrete to post up, he is more credible.
A thanks wasn't good enough, so thank you. :thumbsup:

taylor192 06-01-2011 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mx703 (Post 7456459)
^ can you collect EI if you go on strike?
No. If you purposely decide not to work you are not entitled to EI.

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Originally Posted by Super Dipper (Post 7456467)
dont think so. The only thing we can collect is strike pay which is something like $18/day, which aint a whole lot, haha.
If you do strike, do the math. For each day off unpaid you're eating into the gains the union wants in the contract, nevermind losing business that may never return which is already part of the problem.

Lets say the union wants 3%/yr for 3 years, or ~10% over 3 yrs. Then consider you work ~200 days/yr. If you strike for a month, ie 20 working days, you've lost all the money the union wants as a raise - except the $18/day strike pay.

This is why striking for money is dumb. Unions should fight for job security and benefits, both of which CPC is being very generous with.

taylor192 06-01-2011 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Dipper (Post 7456339)
I really hope they can get their shit together and come up with a contract. I have the luxury of being a single guy with very few expenses and bills and i can survive, but our employees with families and mortgages cant afford this.
Sure they could afford this. They make $45-50K/yr, above the average salary in Canada (~$35K). If they are living paycheque to paycheque, they only have themselves to blame, and no wonder they are afraid of concessions and defined pensions if they have no savings.

taylor192 06-01-2011 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 7456654)
didn't think there'd be so much bickering in this thread
Union busting will be the next big political thing. Many governments and companies have underfunded required union benefits and cannot rely on inflation for the growth needed to catch up, concessions will have to be made. Its happening all over Europe and in many US states - and with a Conservative majority looking to cut the deficit early, union contracts are going to be a big part of it.

taylor192 06-01-2011 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by azndude69 (Post 7455308)
We should be doing what countries like Sweden, Norway and Finland do. Countries that have 100% literacy rate, super high productivity, Invest heavily into Human Capital. and better social programs where people dont abuse the system (as much as they do in North America).
They also pay a huge amount of tax and tax luxuries heavily, things most of us would consider essentials like a nice car, big TV, ... ie most of the things the typical RSer wants would now be unaffordable to many, with less leftover money to spend.

I'm OK with that lifestyle, yet ask yourself, are you?

Armind 06-01-2011 11:10 PM
is this strike still taking place?

taylor192 06-01-2011 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by StylinRed (Post 7455200)
that's not true

if major corporations are actually found to be lying or cheating or breaking the law (which happens on a regular basis) they simply get fined or skip a trial and settle

im not saying that's what canada post is doing, i don't really care at all about this aside from the inconvenience of mail just pointing out the 'go to jail' part is very very very rare that's why it's a big news story when someone actually does go to jail
:D The "go to jail" was just to stir the pot, yet you understood my argument. If the report was fraudulent the company would have to fix the report and deal with any consequences - thus why most companies have a credible agency audit their reports.

taylor192 06-01-2011 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Armind (Post 7456757)
is this strike still taking place?
Yep, CPC rejected all of the unions latest offers. The union will have to offer concessions before CPC will budge by the looks of it.

Armind 06-01-2011 11:35 PM
SOB! I WANT MY BUSINESS CARDS!!!!!!!!!

ImportXxX 06-01-2011 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 (Post 7456747)
Sure they could afford this. They make $45-50K/yr, above the average salary in Canada (~$35K). If they are living paycheque to paycheque, they only have themselves to blame, and no wonder they are afraid of concessions and defined pensions if they have no savings.
just so you know not all of the employees gets 45k to 50k a year..For that, these guys have a lot of seniority. There's a lot of partimers in there that only work 4 to 5 hours a day.

twitchyzero 06-01-2011 11:51 PM
yo, learn how to use multi-quote.

Armind 06-01-2011 11:53 PM
nvm, found out my shipping is done by UPS. FUCK canada post!:fuckyea:


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