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05-31-2011, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane  taylor you should thank my post for proving you wrong. | What post would that be? and can I go fail the 100s of posts where you spread bad information.
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05-31-2011, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Super Dipper pull your head out of your ass. CPC has continuously been making a profit for several years. They have been doing so well, they have been giving out a team bonus annually to all of their employees for the past 3 years. | Who has their head in their ass?
CPC has to release public information, perhaps you should read your own employer's annual reports: http://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/abou...d=murl07001020 Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Dipper CPC may claim that revenues and volumes are down, but letter carrier station are packed full of mail that we are unable to move at the speed mgmt wants us too, bc we do not have enough carriers to get the mail out. | Prove it.
CPC has been making investments in automation and wants to reduce the workforce through attrition. That seems like solid credible information. Where's your information? Union BS? Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Dipper parcel volumes have skyrocketed with e-commerce. We are still the cheapest ways to ship the products you purchase on the net and bc of that, businesses continually use as their main shipping provider.
Revenues are not down, volumes are not down | From the annual report: Quote: |
Volumes declined in all three lines of business: (4.2)% in Transaction Mail, (6.9)% in Parcels and (10.9)% in Direct Marketing
| You're essentially saying what CPC releases publicly is fraudulent. I think I'll trust the CPC on this, if the annual report was fraudulent people would go to jail. Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Dipper you can continue to believe and read what you want, but unless you work within the company, you dont have a clue what is going on. Keep reading the BS that you want to read and believe what you want. | Cause annual reports are just made up, right? There's not a rolling eyes smilie big enough. Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Dipper You are entitled to your opinion and i can respect that, but dont tell me that a 3% raise over 4 years is unreasonable when cost of living and inflation continues to rise and its becoming harder and harder to make ends meet. | Increases are reasonable if revenue and profit are making the same increases. In fact more than inflationary increases are reasonable if the company is doing well.
CPC is not doing well. Revenues are DOWN and if you bother reading and understanding the annual report, you'll find the only reason the numbers aren't worse is due to some creative accounting.
CPC currently owes the pension fund $3.2B - where do you think that money is going to come from? They have been behind on payments cause of shrinking revenue. So either you can decide to deal with it now with concessions, or deal with it down the road when the pension is owed even more and there's not enough left for you.
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05-31-2011, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Super Dipper although i agree with your statement, its quite broad and open ended statement that could apply to any labor mgmt conflict, bc lets be honest, there are tons of ppl out there that would do ANY job for less if they could.
Just throwing that out there. | Absolutely. BC teachers are in the same place, lots of teachers looking for work and would take jobs paying less - meanwhile BC teachers with jobs want more and more $$$. Without the union we could hire more teachers at less $$$ and reduce classroom sizes and prevent school closures...
Same applies to CPC. Without the union protecting employee salaries, CPC could hire more employees for less $$$ and deal with one of your complaints: that mail carriers are overloaded.
I'm not just throwing that out there, that's how market economies work when unions don't stifle them.
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05-31-2011, 11:35 AM
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05-31-2011, 12:23 PM
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^^and we all know annual public reports from big corporations to be completely truthful and accurate.  | |
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05-31-2011, 12:32 PM
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You are sourcing financial reports from 2 years ago taylor. smh
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05-31-2011, 01:22 PM
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With this strike looming, could that be a reason why packages sent 2 weeks ago aren't arriving.....
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05-31-2011, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane You are sourcing financial reports from 2 years ago taylor. smh | meh, let him believe what he wants. Apprarently he has it is all figured out.
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05-31-2011, 03:02 PM
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05-31-2011, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane You are sourcing financial reports from 2 years ago taylor. smh | and you complain of idiots spreading incorrect information, then go around and do it yourself.
The link is the for 2009 report released in spring 2010. So it is one year old. It is also verified by a credibly company, KPMG, which should shutup the idiots who say the numbers are wrong then cannot provide correct numbers.
If you want to criticize, ask why the 2010 report is over a month late. Is CPC hiding something to help negotiations? and why must I do your homework.
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05-31-2011, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Dipper meh, let him believe what he wants. Apprarently he has it is all figured out. | I believe facts and figures verified to be credible - not some guy ranting on a website without any information to back it up. Thankfully I am not alone as the public is not supporting the union either.
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05-31-2011, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 Thankfully I am not alone as the public is not supporting the union either. | Speak for yourself. I hope they get what they're asking for.
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05-31-2011, 08:14 PM
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man i hope strike doesnt happen cuz I have a parcel from Ken that hes sending tmr morning that I have to pack for a friday freight pick up
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05-31-2011, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 if the annual report was fraudulent people would go to jail. | that's not true
if major corporations are actually found to be lying or cheating or breaking the law (which happens on a regular basis) they simply get fined or skip a trial and settle
im not saying that's what canada post is doing, i don't really care at all about this aside from the inconvenience of mail just pointing out the 'go to jail' part is very very very rare that's why it's a big news story when someone actually does go to jail
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05-31-2011, 09:09 PM
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#90 | | NOOB, Not Quite a Regular!
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Who would go to jail? The whole corporation?
They would get a fine.
A corporation is a legal entity that is created under the laws of a state designed to establish the entity as a separate legal entity having its own privileges and liabilities distinct from those of its members
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05-31-2011, 09:42 PM
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I do have to agree with some of the unions thinking that People should be fighting for what the unions have. better paying, more secured jobs with benefits.
Honestly the private sector is fucking people up the ass. The gap between the rich and the poor is ever increasing, and the middle class is starting to get smaller and smaller.
Now I do think that some of the perks these unionized jobs have are without merit, but a lot of private companies just fuck over their employees, and keep using the "we need to cut costs, be competitive propoganda". Governments can force companies to be more competitive by reducing barriers to entries and elminate monopolies/cartels.
CEO and executives make millions if they can increase profit, and the easiest way is to cut down costs - ie. labour. These executives dont give a shiet about their employees, but will all say the number asset to their company is "their employees"
The government, as well as private companies never reinvest to enhance productivity.
We should be doing what countries like Sweden, Norway and Finland do. Countries that have 100% literacy rate, super high productivity, Invest heavily into Human Capital. and better social programs where people dont abuse the system (as much as they do in North America).
Right now, Canada has one of the lowest productivity rates among western countries, and the only way we seem to be able to increase that is by increasing our hours worked.
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05-31-2011, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 I believe facts and figures verified to be credible - not some guy ranting on a website without any information to back it up. Thankfully I am not alone as the public is not supporting the union either. | Yup, you are right, i got no credible information. I only work there.
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05-31-2011, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FatalCloud ^^and we all know annual public reports from big corporations to be completely truthful and accurate. | Well, for the report itself: Quote:
Canada Post Corporation is a Crown corporation included
since 1989 in Part II of Schedule III of the Financial Administration
Act. The Auditor General of Canada and KPMG LLP were
appointed as joint auditors of the Corporation for the year
ended December 31, 2009, in accordance with the Financial
Administration Act. The Auditor General and KPMG LLP audit
the consolidated financial statements and report to the Audit
Committee of the Board of Directors, as well as the Minister
of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities.
| Translation: more or less, yes. And more so than anything you read on the news, since a lot of it is biased opinion and misinformation.
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05-31-2011, 11:49 PM
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#94 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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I was told they had signed a new contract??? WTF! Last damn thing i need now. In the middle of dealing with 3 year old will papers being sent between here and Nova Scotia. I fucking hate this lawyer  | |
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05-31-2011, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by azndude69 We should be doing what countries like Sweden, Norway and Finland do. | We can do what they do.. but taxes will have to go up.
Unions would love that, though. More money to squeeze from Canada Post, LOL.
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06-01-2011, 11:25 AM
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06-01-2011, 12:01 PM
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#97 | | reads most threads with his pants around his ankles, especially in the Forced Induction forum.
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Strike I say! Let them strike till they all go broke and force to a sign a new contract.
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06-01-2011, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp Strike I say! Let them strike till they all go broke and force to a sign a new contract. | you mean like the Extra Foods guys? what's it been 2 years now they've been picketing ? (maple ridge that is)
2.5 years lol
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06-01-2011, 12:27 PM
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Wait, so can Canada post lock them out?
And if they do, they'll just hire people privately right? And our mail will still come?
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06-01-2011, 12:45 PM
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#100 | | reads most threads with his pants around his ankles, especially in the Forced Induction forum.
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Originally Posted by mx703 Wait, so can Canada post lock them out?
And if they do, they'll just hire people privately right? And our mail will still come? | Not sure if that's a good idea. Remember a few years back when all the grabage truck drivers went on strike. The city try to hire some private company to do the job and those private hire got beat up, their truck smash by those people who is on strike.
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