Canada Post fully shut down cross country

[josayeee]

It's so frustrating I am waiting on stuff too. I know a lot of people who would kill to have their jobs. I know of one guy who finishes his shift by 11am then spends the rest of the day rock climbing.

[Meowjin]

Don't know how citizens here can live in a semi-socialist country but whine and complain when an industry goes on strike.

[Bonjour43MA]

I'll probably get some fails for saying this but I think it's wrong for the Union to hold the public to ransom so that they can get better pay, pension, and benefits. I'm only saying this as an observer so I'm sure those that are postal workers will think that I'm biased, but here are some points that I've been thinking about on this whole mess:

- Why the sense of entitlement? Your jobs already pay way better and offer better security than any other jobs out there that require the same education background and experience. Why not appreciate what you have instead of asking for more, especially when the economy is unstable?

- I keep hearing some postal workers saying how physically demanding their jobs are, but how about construction workers, roadside workers, warehouse workers, city cleanup workers, garbage men, bike couriers, etc the list goes on and on. I'm sorry but walking for x KMs a day cannot be tougher than all those jobs I've just listed, and they sure as hell don't get paid as well as postal workers.

- I know it was Canada Post that locked out the workers, but didn't 92% of Union members voted in favor of a (rotation) strike? and didn't the Union and CP have 7 months to work out something that will work for both sides? Ever heard of compromises?

I guess like many Canadians, I'm upset at this strike because it's starting to affect us on different levels, and what for? So that postal workers can get more money, more vacation days, more sick days, and more benefits? I've never heard of any jobs where the worker is unhappy and instead of looking for other alternatives, they whine and go on strike so that their bosses will pay them more for the same amount of work they're currently doing.

Postal workers have it real good... please learn to appreciate what you have.

Flame suit on.

[Bonjour43MA]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

Don't know how citizens here can live in a semi-socialist country but whine and complain when an industry goes on strike.

People have been calling the government to privatize Canada Post for awhile now... I think Canada Post is the only crown corporation that's left that hasn't done that.

Why can't we whine and complain? People's livelihoods depend on essential services like mail and parcel, and when they're not making a living because someone else is trying to get more money, they sure as hell have the right to voice their complaints.

[ShadowBun]

Originally Posted by Bonjour43MA

I'll probably get some fails for saying this but I think it's wrong for the Union to hold the public to ransom so that they can get better pay, pension, and benefits. I'm only saying this as an observer so I'm sure those that are postal workers will think that I'm biased, but here are some points that I've been thinking about on this whole mess:

- Why the sense of entitlement? Your jobs already pay way better and offer better security than any other jobs out there that require the same education background and experience. Why not appreciate what you have instead of asking for more, especially when the economy is unstable?

- I keep hearing some postal workers saying how physically demanding their jobs are, but how about construction workers, roadside workers, warehouse workers, city cleanup workers, garbage men, bike couriers, etc the list goes on and on. I'm sorry but walking for x KMs a day cannot be tougher than all those jobs I've just listed, and they sure as hell don't get paid as well as postal workers.

- I know it was Canada Post that locked out the workers, but didn't 92% of Union members voted in favor of a (rotation) strike? and didn't the Union and CP have 7 months to work out something that will work for both sides? Ever heard of compromises?

I guess like many Canadians, I'm upset at this strike because it's starting to affect us on different levels, and what for? So that postal workers can get more money, more vacation days, more sick days, and more benefits? I've never heard of any jobs where the worker is unhappy and instead of looking for other alternatives, they whine and go on strike so that their bosses will pay them more for the same amount of work they're currently doing.

Postal workers have it real good... please learn to appreciate what you have.

Flame suit on.

i agree

[604778]

I think tons of people already paid their credit card , cell phone, internet.. etc bills.
Just wasting tons of paper right there..

[Culverin]

Originally Posted by 604778

I think tons of people already paid their credit card , cell phone, internet.. etc bills.
Just wasting tons of paper right there..

Exactly!
I get more spam mail from my banks than any other mail combined.
I wonder how many people have caught up to the internet age and registered for online banking because of this incident. Welcome to the new millennium guys.

[ShadowBun]

more like stuff people bought are not shipped in time
bank and bills are simple to pay

[ImportXxX]

Originally Posted by Bonjour43MA

I'll probably get some fails for saying this but I think it's wrong for the Union to hold the public to ransom so that they can get better pay, pension, and benefits. I'm only saying this as an observer so I'm sure those that are postal workers will think that I'm biased, but here are some points that I've been thinking about on this whole mess:

- Why the sense of entitlement? Your jobs already pay way better and offer better security than any other jobs out there that require the same education background and experience. Why not appreciate what you have instead of asking for more, especially when the economy is unstable?

- I keep hearing some postal workers saying how physically demanding their jobs are, but how about construction workers, roadside workers, warehouse workers, city cleanup workers, garbage men, bike couriers, etc the list goes on and on. I'm sorry but walking for x KMs a day cannot be tougher than all those jobs I've just listed, and they sure as hell don't get paid as well as postal workers.

- I know it was Canada Post that locked out the workers, but didn't 92% of Union members voted in favor of a (rotation) strike? and didn't the Union and CP have 7 months to work out something that will work for both sides? Ever heard of compromises?

I guess like many Canadians, I'm upset at this strike because it's starting to affect us on different levels, and what for? So that postal workers can get more money, more vacation days, more sick days, and more benefits? I've never heard of any jobs where the worker is unhappy and instead of looking for other alternatives, they whine and go on strike so that their bosses will pay them more for the same amount of work they're currently doing.

Postal workers have it real good... please learn to appreciate what you have.

Flame suit on.

i'm not a letter carrier but you do know that they don't just walk and deliver mails. They have to sort at first and it's all depends on what route you have and location you're working in. Some are easy and some hard but Say if you work in north van, would you like having to carry a 50lbs bag everyday for 4 or more hours walking up and down, everyday..rain or shine?? Alot of people in there have problems with their back due to all the lifting and walking at a certain age.

i've been in construction as a plumer, autobody worker, warehouse worker, in restaurant industry and even working for fedex as courier. I gota say fedex was the toughest job i had. Sure in construction and automotive, it's dirty and sweaty job but they get paid pretty well for it. But as a courier, man there were days where i work 12 hours with no break or lunch cause of all the deliveries commitment. Imagine they put you in an area where you don't know jack of where to go say surrey since i'm from vancouver..lol. and you have to attemp every deliveries you have or else customer can complain and get the money back. It's pretty tough when you have 100 deliveries to do in a day if you dont know where to go..i've been there..

as for city workers? man you know how easy of a job they have? i know somene that cleans and take care of the vancouver parks. You don't have to do alot he told me. you just gota finish that part that is assign to you and that's it...if you do anything more they will shit on you for doing extra work...lol so he would spend 4 hours on doing nothing sometimes..and city construction workers, have you seen how they work lately? next time you drive by, take a good look of how hard they work.

[sKyLinekc]

2011/06/22 08:53 CANADA Labour disruption affecting this location; item delayed
2011/06/14 20:22 International item has left the origin country and is en route to Canada
2011/06/13 09:09 International item mailed in origin country

=( haha

[Amuse]

Other countries are not shipping to Canada now. I can't even order stuff to mail to Canada.

[6insomnia9]

Sad times it is.

[dark0821]

fail... my cheques are stuck in the mail somewhere =.=

sigh....

[LiquidTurbo]

Originally Posted by ImportXxX

i'm not a letter carrier but you do know that they don't just walk and deliver mails. They have to sort at first and it's all depends on what route you have and location you're working in. Some are easy and some hard but Say if you work in north van, would you like having to carry a 50lbs bag everyday for 4 or more hours walking up and down, everyday..rain or shine?? Alot of people in there have problems with their back due to all the lifting and walking at a certain age.

i've been in construction as a plumer, autobody worker, warehouse worker, in restaurant industry and even working for fedex as courier. I gota say fedex was the toughest job i had. Sure in construction and automotive, it's dirty and sweaty job but they get paid pretty well for it. But as a courier, man there were days where i work 12 hours with no break or lunch cause of all the deliveries commitment. Imagine they put you in an area where you don't know jack of where to go say surrey since i'm from vancouver..lol. and you have to attemp every deliveries you have or else customer can complain and get the money back. It's pretty tough when you have 100 deliveries to do in a day if you dont know where to go..i've been there..

as for city workers? man you know how easy of a job they have? i know somene that cleans and take care of the vancouver parks. You don't have to do alot he told me. you just gota finish that part that is assign to you and that's it...if you do anything more they will shit on you for doing extra work...lol so he would spend 4 hours on doing nothing sometimes..and city construction workers, have you seen how they work lately? next time you drive by, take a good look of how hard they work.

+1.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by ImportXxX

i'm not a letter carrier but you do know that they don't just walk and deliver mails. They have to sort at first and it's all depends on what route you have and location you're working in. Some are easy and some hard but Say if you work in north van, would you like having to carry a 50lbs bag everyday for 4 or more hours walking up and down, everyday..rain or shine?? Alot of people in there have problems with their back due to all the lifting and walking at a certain age.

There are janitors that do harder work for far less cash and cannot retire at 55 with a nice pension. Its an uneducated manual labour job, there's no reason for the benefits to be as good as they are.

The reason construction jobs pay so well is that there were few people to do them. Visit the interior now and see how much they are still paying... if they can find work. Crews are lowballing each other just to get contracts in the interior, cutting employees and salaries.

That's how private industry works, when demand is high salaries/benefits usually have to match to attract workers. When demand is low, salaries/benefits/jobs are cut. Demand at CPC is down, not up, so which direction should salary/benefits go?

[Meowjin]

Originally Posted by Bonjour43MA

People have been calling the government to privatize Canada Post for awhile now... I think Canada Post is the only crown corporation that's left that hasn't done that.

Why can't we whine and complain? People's livelihoods depend on essential services like mail and parcel, and when they're not making a living because someone else is trying to get more money, they sure as hell have the right to voice their complaints.

There are tons of crown corporations still.

You could always go the private route when you go with mail and parcel delivery.

Hint: Crown corporations are not monopolies. Unless it's ICBC.

[Meowjin]

Originally Posted by taylor192

The reason construction jobs pay so well is that there were few people to do them. Visit the interior now and see how much they are still paying... if they can find work.

http://careers.infooil.com/jobs/c219...tion.jobs.aspx

inb4 taylor starts name calling.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

http://careers.infooil.com/jobs/c219...tion.jobs.aspx

inb4 taylor starts name calling.

What part of "interior BC" did you not understand? You should be called names for your lack of comprehension.

Go to Kelowna and try and get a construction job, or at least look that up before you reply ignorantly again.

You're as bad as the stupid BC teachers who whine about wanting to make as much as Alberta teachers, while BC has an over supply of teachers and Alberta not enough. Perhaps you should take an introductory economics course, it might help you learn something.

[gars]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

Don't know how citizens here can live in a semi-socialist country but whine and complain when an industry goes on strike.

Why can't people whine and complain? How does the Postal Workers having better benefits/pay make MY life easier? Am I supposed to sleep better knowing that they're treated better while I'm still making the same at my job?

I'm all for arbitration, by having a 3rd party figuring out what is realistic and fair for both parties, but I think unions these days are just trying to strong-arm their bosses by going on strike.

[Bonjour43MA]

Originally Posted by ImportXxX

i'm not a letter carrier but you do know that they don't just walk and deliver mails. They have to sort at first and it's all depends on what route you have and location you're working in. Some are easy and some hard but Say if you work in north van, would you like having to carry a 50lbs bag everyday for 4 or more hours walking up and down, everyday..rain or shine?? Alot of people in there have problems with their back due to all the lifting and walking at a certain age.

i've been in construction as a plumer, autobody worker, warehouse worker, in restaurant industry and even working for fedex as courier. I gota say fedex was the toughest job i had. Sure in construction and automotive, it's dirty and sweaty job but they get paid pretty well for it. But as a courier, man there were days where i work 12 hours with no break or lunch cause of all the deliveries commitment. Imagine they put you in an area where you don't know jack of where to go say surrey since i'm from vancouver..lol. and you have to attemp every deliveries you have or else customer can complain and get the money back. It's pretty tough when you have 100 deliveries to do in a day if you dont know where to go..i've been there..

as for city workers? man you know how easy of a job they have? i know somene that cleans and take care of the vancouver parks. You don't have to do alot he told me. you just gota finish that part that is assign to you and that's it...if you do anything more they will shit on you for doing extra work...lol so he would spend 4 hours on doing nothing sometimes..and city construction workers, have you seen how they work lately? next time you drive by, take a good look of how hard they work.

Again, I'm not a postal worker either so my opinon may be biased, but I've worked as a warehouse worker before (way back, maybe 10 years ago in my freshmen years), lifting fridges, TVs, furniture, etc for 9 hours a day, and I just can't imaging how much harder it could be for someone to sort out mail, then walk around to deliver them. I'm not trying to shoot down the job itself as I'm sure many take pride in their work, but when it comes down to it, you don't need to goto post-secondary for 2~4 years, or perform manual labour to a point where you wish you were dead, and yet still get paid for more than a lot of those people that have better education or have to work harder.

People are selfish and greedy in general but to spend 7 months neotigating something, and then going on a (rotation) strike, then eventually getting locked out and not being able to DO YOUR JOB which directly impacts the lives of everyday people, is just too much for me to accept and to side with right now. It's good that these postal workers were able to get the job and get paid well and have good benefits - good on them, but I just wish they could be more appreciative of what they have, and not what they want to have.

This is not a problem between Canadians and the postal workers so we should not be affected by it. Management from both sides need to make compromises to come to an agreement but NOT at the expense of the Canadian economy.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by gars

I'm all for arbitration, by having a 3rd party figuring out what is realistic and fair for both parties, but I think unions these days are just trying to strong-arm their bosses by going on strike.

Arbitration sucks, and would be the worst thing for CPC. Mediators almost always favour the employee, and will prevent CPC from making the cuts it needs to and we'll be back in this same situation when the contract expires.

As much as I want them back to work, I would rather CPC lock them out for a month. The average Canadian doesn't have enough savings to last more than a few weeks (look it up, it is sadly true) so CPC can play hardball and eventually the union will have to cave.

[nosaj]

the debate went overnight and is still going on right now

you can stream it live on cbc news lol
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...ke-debate.html

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by nosaj

the debate went overnight and is still going on right now

you can stream it live on cbc news lol
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...ke-debate.html

Each MP gets to speak for 20 mins in each session if they wish, so ~140 MPs get to speak for 20 mins each, so this could go 46 hrs.

It is just a delay tactic by the opposition, and a waste of time.

[nosaj]

yep tell me about it....they are just wasting their time and our tax money

just get this sht done ffs.

[Expresso]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Arbitration sucks, and would be the worst thing for CPC. Mediators almost always favour the employee, and will prevent CPC from making the cuts it needs to and we'll be back in this same situation when the contract expires.

As much as I want them back to work, I would rather CPC lock them out for a month. The average Canadian doesn't have enough savings to last more than a few weeks (look it up, it is sadly true) so CPC can play hardball and eventually the union will have to cave.

Do they get any kind of pay through the Union or otherwise in this situation?