McKenzie: The two other guys in that Magnificent tribute

Imagine being immortilized forever but not because of something great you did.

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Cmon now, you're comparing apples to oranges

Sedin vs Kronwall, and the fact that Kronwall lined that hit up (his go to hit that he is KNOWN for), as he does with his other ones, which Sedin never does (and has no reputation for), as I've only seen him do the usual non vulnerable body checks to the boards.

An injured player on the ice (regardless of dirty/clean hit) SHOULD pretty much automatically equate some kind of response from the injured players' team. Seeing the Buffalo team have no response when Lucic ran into Miller was absolutely retarded and shouldn't have been the case. Even for a majority of the clean hits, I always see the player throwing the hit drop the gloves (even immediately when the opposing player is skating towards him), not because he has to, but because he should and to own up for his actions and a sign of respect.

Ok how about i use kesler instead of sedin. He throws a big but clean hit, and the opposing teams resident tough guy challenges him to a fight..... We lose Kesler at the minimum of 5 minutes(im assuming he wont get injured in the fight) and the other team loses a guy that play less than 10mins a game. And the lucic miller incident is different. Tht was a dirty play. I dont think being a star player or a hitter makes a difference. Making clean checks in this league shouldnt be punished by fighting an opposing player
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I'm not so sure about both clean and dirty.
I find this is how the game gets labelled as a "goon" sport when one lays out a clean hit and then a brawl has to start every single time.
Might as well just completely taking hitting out of the game then to get some flow.

brayden schenn did the right thing not jumping kronwall but challenge him. NHL players today just jump other players to protect their teammates after the hit gayyyy

i just hoped that brayden wouldnt get toss in circles like what kovalchuk did to him :troll:

Dependent on injury + degree of the hit for sure; but if the player is lying on the ice like Jakub, clearly injured, passed out, I damn well hope Kesler answers to drop the gloves, like I said in the previous post, not because he has to, but for respect out of the player, and not to be a COWARD.

Being a star player vs grinder makes a huge difference IMO, you get "star treatment" from the league and then you got your teammates who are gonna step in for you when their tough guy comes at you (a la Ovy).

Also keep in mind, for the hit I was talking about, no penalty was called on the play which means Kronwall pretty much got away with a borderline hit, and since there's so much ambiguity in rule 48.1, he likely won't be suspended, as its pretty much up to a judgement call from Shanahan. Kronwall has a reputation for that hit, and hes done it time and time again and just skates away to the bench without a scratch or penalty. Pretty sure the Flyers bench was fuming and went to challenge Kronwall as the game progressed. If the league didn't look at suspensions for head shots like they do now, I'm pretty sure the Flyers would of went head hunting

Booth is a cool guy. During the autograph signing at rona you can only get 1 item signed per person or a canucks card with his photo. He signed my puck and i asked him if i can get an autograph of the card too. :fuckyea:

Did you get your Hamhuis autograph yet?

I see where you're coming from about standing up for your own teammates, but I'm not sure I can agree with a response regardless of clean/dirty hit. How many times have we seen players 'injured' to try and draw a penalty, only to pop up and play the next shift?

It's one thing to respect and stick up for your own teammates, but its also important to keep the integrity of the game. If your teammate gets destroyed cleanly because his head was down knowing that a big hitter is on the ice, the way to call that even is to make a clean hit back. Don't jump the guy, try to pick a fight, call him out for not fighting you, whatever, he's only doing his job (in this case Kronwall actually had a great scoring chance after the hit).

I don't think this hit was a targetted headshot, Kronwall was going to lay that hit anyways like he's done so many times. Just so happened Voracek was leading with his head and hit his shoulder head first.

^ I agree with the integrity of the game; however, the head was clearly the principal point of contact and the way he landed was ugly. Some players stay down, (to fake it) for only a brief period of time but clearly, when you stay down for that long, dazed, unsure of what the hell is going on, you realize its serious business.

Looks like Jakub is gonna be the 8th player on the Flyers to suffer a concussion this season

Yeah, no doubt Voracek wasn't faking it. How does Kronwall execute that hit without hitting the opposing player head first though? To me, the bigger issue was that Voracek was leading with his head first after he got the puck when he ran into Kronwall who was going to hit him one way or another.

I've made similar plays where I was in Kronwall's position but just standing stationary at the blueline. The opposing player with his head down does not know I am there, I brace for the collision and he goes down, and I usually end up with the penalty even though I had position and didn't move or initiate the contact. This is in a non-contact league of course, but I can see this being an easy hit/play to make in contact scenarios.

Kronwall actually takes a stride forward before nailing him IIRC, fuck I hate that hit every time I re watch it. Usually Kronwall executes that hit with his back towards the player, but I guess in this case the shoulder of Kronwall got him nice and square. Doesn't Rule 48.1 have some leeway as to the player delivering the hit having to hold up the hit if they know it'll turn ugly?

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head– "A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered."

That's all it says.. and does mention the vulnerable position part.

wtf that was from 2005. Oh how time has flown and changed, its nice to look back sometimes, point, and laugh.

It sucks to see guys hurt like that, but these guys need to keep their heads up esp when they know heavy hitters are on the ice.

With 48.1 I think you can make a case that Voracek advancing and leading with his head forward and down because he didn't have puck control put himself into a vulnerable position just before the collision, while Kronwall already had him lined up and ready to go. Voracek was going to get nailed the regardless of where his head was, so Kronwall wasn't seeking the head as initial point of contact IMO

A good compilation on Kronwall's work:

spotted E-40six and dbaz? at rogers arena last night :p

I got his autograph when he was at the robson team store :fuckyea:

girl and I sat beside David Booth and Dale Weiss on Monday at the italian kitchen..
it was a funny scene.. becuz it seemed like it was flannel shirt night......

myself, le girl, booth, weiss, their buddies..

didnt talk to them..too busy drinking away and it seemed like they didnt wanna be bothered either so just left it haah

lol were you guys sitting close to us?

walked past you at the end of the night. level 100

Since when did we have stephen weiss on our team? :troll:
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Lol, I'd take Weiss over Weise.

Canucks were 7-3 in their last 10 last season, and Boston was 6-3-1

:heckno:

there's a chance that the canucks, rangers, wings and bruins won't even make it to the SCF. generally the teams that get there are the teams that click at the right time. sure its not the playoffs right now and guys can say the canucks are saving themselves for later but you can't just suck the last 10-15 games of the season then expect to turn it on in the playoffs.

the canucks haven't been played up to their standards for a long time now. its only getting more notice now because they aren't winning in OT/SO.