Mayors recommend gas levy to pay for Evergreen Line

[melloman]

Originally Posted by goo3

The sad truth is, it would have taken 10 years to pay for the turnstiles themselves. PWC estimates lost revenue to be between $5-10M per year.

http://www.translink.ca/~/media/docu...pwcsept07.ashx

There's no magic bullet, so stop dreaming. This is why Translink pays for management instead of installing chumps who pull numbers from thin air. Even though you're not happy with them, we would be worse off with chumps.

So your saying we should just bend over to take the $3.4M in lost revenue each year. Accept the +$0.02/L in gas levy. Correct?

If turnstiles were installed, and it cost $40M for the turnstiles, what would our assumed lost revenue be annually? That's the real question. If made sufficient enough, and each station had 2 skytrain personalle (which they do now IIRC) then those 2 people could watch to make sure there wasn't fare evasion. Ofcourse, there willl always be fare evasion (just like car theifs) but were just trying to deter them.

[GG]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Transit should also know that their hours of opertation sucks.

On weekends or Holidays the last train stops at like. 12:30am. Come on now people stays out till at least 2am clubbing lol. The night bus sucks as it comes maybe every 30mins and it covers such a small area.

Their so call zone system sucks. Pretty right now Vancouver is divded into 3 zones where u pay more if you want to use the system in all 3 zones. So say I live in between the border of the zone. Metrotown to Joyce(that's a total of 3 skystrain station) I have to pay a 2 zone ticket while if I say get on the skytrain at Production and go to Metrotown (that's like maybe 10 stations) I only have to pay 1zone.

The system is dumb and stupid. The amount each riders pay should be determine on how many stations you ride (like in HK).

BTW: I took the skytrain this morning and at boardway station they were checking for tickets lol. At least 4 ppl were caught =D

yup its fucking retarded, in asia they charge how many stations you are traveling than you pay a x amount.


Here it can be 6 stations or 1 station, u pay the same price. WTF


Say you are traveling from metrotown to royal oak, who the fuck pays $2.50 for 1km?

SKytrains are inconsistant too, they give the newest blue ones with bigger seats, and AC included. THan there is the white one, or the ones from 20 years ago. Get rid of those 20 years junk plz

[hotjoint]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Transit should also know that their hours of opertation sucks.

On weekends or Holidays the last train stops at like. 12:30am. Come on now people stays out till at least 2am clubbing lol. The night bus sucks as it comes maybe every 30mins and it covers such a small area.

Their so call zone system sucks. Pretty right now Vancouver is divded into 3 zones where u pay more if you want to use the system in all 3 zones. So say I live in between the border of the zone. Metrotown to Joyce(that's a total of 3 skystrain station) I have to pay a 2 zone ticket while if I say get on the skytrain at Production and go to Metrotown (that's like maybe 10 stations) I only have to pay 1zone.

The system is dumb and stupid. The amount each riders pay should be determine on how many stations you ride (like in HK).

Totally agree with this.

When I was in the philippines with my gf, I was surprised how nice their skytrain was. It's a small line but you pay for the destination that you're going to, not one damn flat rate like it is here. They also have turnstyles.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Tequilabomb

yup its fucking retarded, in asia they charge how many stations you are traveling than you pay a x amount.


Here it can be 6 stations or 1 station, u pay the same price. WTF


Say you are traveling from metrotown to royal oak, who the fuck pays $2.50 for 1km?

SKytrains are inconsistant too, they give the newest blue ones with bigger seats, and AC included. THan there is the white one, or the ones from 20 years ago. Get rid of those 20 years junk plz

Lol don't post here if you know nothing.
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/imag..._zone_map.ashx

See that's how the zone are place so if you want to cross between more than 1 zone you pay for 2 or 3 zone fares. If you live at the border of one zone and needs to cross to the border of another zone, it sitll counts as a 2 zone fare (example Patterson to Joyce that's less than 3mins ride but still consider 2 zone). See how stupid and dumb the system is.

http://www.translink.ca/en/Fares-and...-Zone-Map.aspx

[Volvo-brickster]

Originally Posted by Tequilabomb

SKytrains are inconsistant too, they give the newest blue ones with bigger seats, and AC included. THan there is the white one, or the ones from 20 years ago. Get rid of those 20 years junk plz

Those old trains are a GODSEND on a hot summer day. At least you can open the windows.

I don't ride the Canada line, but on the Expo / Millenium, the new trains have A/C but it is like having someone blow hot air on you all the time.

[Tapioca]

Once Translink moves to distance-based pricing, there will be winners and losers as there are under the current zone system. People who have to commute long distances (e.g. Surrey to downtown) will likely pay more under such a system. Or I can imagine people who travel from one end of Vancouver to the end may pay more than they're currently paying. Ultimately, I think most regular users will pay more and casual users who travel short distances will end up paying less.

The original trains may seem crappy with no A/C, but they've held up really well over the past 25 years. The brand new trains have A/C, but it doesn't work all of the time and the doors seem of really poor quality (they were assembled in Mexico after all.) Just because something is new doesn't mean it's built to last. I think about how cars were manufactured in the 80s (think German or Japanese) compared to the crap that's being produced now. Things were built to last in the past, but not now.

[goo3]

Originally Posted by melloman

So your saying we should just bend over to take the $3.4M in lost revenue each year. Accept the +$0.02/L in gas levy. Correct?

You could ask me instead of assuming. I'm just bringing you back to reality. You were in dreamland looking for an easy solution and someone to blame as illustrated here:

Originally Posted by melloman

Fair enough. I'm not here to hate on people specifically, just Translinks organization in general. If turn-styles were brought in 10 years ago. I figure the Portmann Bridge could've been 100% paid for by Translink. With the millions in lost revenue from people riding Skytrains for free, it's ridiculous.

It is nice to see them finally getting to putting turn-styles into the old expo and millenium lines, yet why didn't they just start up the Canada Line with turn-styles? I understand the aspect of it being uilt last-minute and for the Olympics but still.. Bad organization.

It's jsut fustrating that motorists are being attacked the most, where most taxes should go to people using the services. Just my 0.02 cents.

What do I think? This is what I think:

Originally Posted by goo3

Oh yeah.. it's actually just $3-5M for just SkyTrain. Annual SkyTrain revenue is $40M.

And each line cost in the billions? That's public transit.. expensive and will lose money under most circumstances.

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If turnstiles were installed, and it cost $40M for the turnstiles, what would our assumed lost revenue be annually? That's the real question. If made sufficient enough, and each station had 2 skytrain personalle (which they do now IIRC) then those 2 people could watch to make sure there wasn't fare evasion. Ofcourse, there willl always be fare evasion (just like car theifs) but were just trying to deter them.

In reality, turnstiles will cost closer to $100M for install to save, say, $40M over ten years. Not to say they aren't worth the money for tracking and being able to implement different pricing schemes, but negative $60M won't pay for a new Port Mann bridge. What it will pay for, though, is peace of mind and the perception that Translink is doing something right.

What else do I believe? I believe we get the politicians we deserve. And the only way to get better politicians to demand more of ourselves when we criticize or reward them. Another topic, but somewhat related to this thread.